Posted on 08/21/2013 6:21:57 AM PDT by Kaslin
The United States has been crapping on Christians abroad since Woodrow Wilson. Since McKinley if you consider the idiotic excuse he gave for grabbing the Philippines.
I do not want to get into your theological issues. But the foreign policy causation is worse than you suggest! In several very striking instances, we directly helped to enable, even fund, the persecution of Christians, during the Dean Rusk era, and in other instances, since. (See American Foreign Policy.) There can be no moral justification for some of these misdeeds; and they were never in real American interests..
And see, my reply #18, above.
William Flax
The big problem is that the US has rejected Christianity. The plight of the ME Christians is just a ripple effect.
Later.
NO! The beginning of the end for Christianity in the Middle East was when Mohammed moved his rag tag band of followers to Medina.
His peaceful “preaching” in Mecca (12 years worth) was not working, so in Medina he increasingly resorted to force of arms, and Islam began to rapidly spread throughout the Middle East.
It all began in 622 AD, folks.
“Judge not lest ye be judged.”
Did you happen to notice Bush is included in the indicting headline?
You really believe Bush wanted to end Christianity in the region?
The article is misguided.
Obama’s motivation is to break U.S. ties to mid-east oil and politics.
He just does’t give a damn about the impact on Christians, as he sees them as an extention of “excess western influence in the world”.
I don’t doubt it.
I’m willing to open up the issue all the way back to 1918. Was there a good reason why, when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the Christian nations didn’t all agree to hand Hagia Sophia back to the Patriarch of Constantinople on a platter?
I was referring to such incidents as the suppression of the Ibo (Christian Tribe in Biafra), & the people in Katanga, where we actually provided the UN forces with the air power to bomb Christian hospitals, etc..
Do I believe that Bush wanted to end Christianity in the Region? That wasn’t the premise posed. Did his administration’s policies lead to the dangerous destabilization of the Middle East that we are experiencing now on steroids under Soeotoro? Did Bush’s quest for “democracy” and free elections resulted in the Islamists running roughshod over everyone, including moderate muslims - the proof is in that pudding, don’t you think? Christians are being driven/burned out of their homes & churches as near as I can tell. This all goes so far beyond Bush or Obama - they are mere puppets playing in this insanity. Bush never wanted “nation building” but his position was overridden. So who is calling these crazy shots?
“He expressed his evangelical zeal for this secular cause in his second inaugural address. “So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world,” said Bush”
That was one of the most sterling examples of utopian idiocy ever uttered by man. Right up there with “Islam is a Religion of Peace”
“Did his administrations policies lead to the dangerous destabilization of the Middle East that we are experiencing now on steroids..?”
No, Bush policies did NOT destabilize Egypt or Syria or Libya.
As for Iraq, it was Obama’s exit approach that resulted in the instability there.
I’ve got my tin foil ready.....Who is calling these crazy shots?
Bush took us into Iraq and Afghanistan, and he didn’t fight either war to WIN, which means crushing the enemy so badly, including the civilians, that they know better than to mess with you for a very long time. In my book this means there never was any intention of winning in the first place, just dehumanizing our troops by evil ROE that don’t allow victory through intractable conflicts with no real end in sight.
There is no way to leave either country now and expect that all our “good deeds” will be maintained in kumbaya fashion by the Natives. Ask the Russians how well that worked out for them, and they were way less kind than American troops are.
If Bush could have had a 3rd term, I believe we would be in the same place we are with Soeotoro, who also doesn’t believe in fighting to win - Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Syria all down the hatch...Jordan soon to follow. Our Govt. is aiding and abetting the CHAOS. Why?
What our Govt. didn’t count on was the rise of the people in Egypt to expose our collaboration with the Muslim Brotherhood/Saudi kings to the detriment of our own country. The Bushes, Clintons, Soeotoro are all tools and I am suprised that you can’t see that. Tools of whom? You don’t need a tinfoil hat to answer that one. Follow the money and look for those with power & cash and no allegiance to any Nation State (crony corporatists, international banksters, and treasonous politicians who have sold us out in spades).
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