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To: grundle

I wonder how legitimate these concerns are. Muslims in many areas have been doing this for literally centuries.

If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.


2 posted on 08/17/2013 5:14:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Well....they’re all Muslims...


4 posted on 08/17/2013 5:15:25 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Sherman Logan
The concerns are very legitimate. I saved this story from the Telegraph from a couple of years ago:

The problem is worst among children born in Britain's Pakistani community, where more than half of marriages are between first cousins, and children are 10 times more likely than the general population to suffer genetic disorders.

"The medical risks of first cousin marriages include higher rates of infant mortality, birth defects, learning difficulties, blindness, hearing problems and metabolic disorders.

"As adults, the children born from first cousin marriages are at increased risk of miscarriage or infertility. A third of children affected die before their fifth birthday.

"An investigation by Channel 4's Dispatches programme found that although more than 70 British studies have proved the risks, and 700 British Pakistani children are born with associated genetic diseases every year, many people deny the dangers."

On the other hand, they may be breeding faster than native Britons, but they are to a certain extent offsetting that by producing so many unwell children.

8 posted on 08/17/2013 5:23:10 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Sherman Logan
I hear some of the hospitals have quite horrendous birth defects. I doubt the muslims would have any problem killing a baby that was malformed.
12 posted on 08/17/2013 5:25:52 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Sherman Logan

It is harmful. We live in an Amish and Mennonite area with a lot of 2nd or 3rd cousin marriages (over generations)and marriages among people who are “double” cousins (both sides of the family). The local doctors advise against it. A local family lost a baby last because the couple were second cousins whose families had intermarried for years.


15 posted on 08/17/2013 5:29:24 AM PDT by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: Sherman Logan
If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.

If this is not tongue-in-cheek, I just have to ask if you've seen the state of the Muslim world?

22 posted on 08/17/2013 5:33:58 AM PDT by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.”

Have you noticed that Muslims are somewhat unstable and like to put suicide vests on there kids and go around killing innocent people?

Normal folks don’t tend to do that... Perhaps the last thousand years of inbreeding is part of the answer.


25 posted on 08/17/2013 5:40:21 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Sherman Logan
I wonder how legitimate these concerns are. Muslims in many areas have been doing this for literally centuries.

If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.

So you think a people who are constantly angry at others, think nothing of killing people and cutting their heads off if they disagree with their way of life and who believe they have the right to kill their wives and daughters simply because they don't approve of something they are doing, are perfectly fine mentally?

Too me, the whole Muslim life style screams lunatic and one way they got there was through inbreeding. I a not saying that if first cousins married something drastic would show up in the first generation but after centuries of the practice mental defects are bound to show up, and I think Muslims are living, breathing proof of this guys statements.

29 posted on 08/17/2013 5:47:33 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Sherman Logan
I wonder how legitimate these concerns are. Muslims in many areas have been doing this for literally centuries.

I think the current regressive state of the character and intelligence on display by most, maybe all, muslim dominated nations and cultures validates the finding that inbreeding isn't harmless.

Muslim societies aren't exactly hotbeds of innovation, progress and intellectual development.


33 posted on 08/17/2013 5:51:29 AM PDT by Iron Munro (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: Sherman Logan
Given the presence of some heritable genetic malady or mutation it greatly increases the risk of children with that malady or maladies, particularly with the X chromosome in consanguineous marriages. If both male and female have that X chromosome, female children will have the malady or mutation with both X chromosomes. Males fare little better having just one X chromosome.

That said, some recessive traits are not harmful and some could even be deemed desirable, so it's not entirely the genetic train wreck across the board that it's depicted as being. If you know anything about animal husbandry and breeding, desirable traits are “fixed” in a line by doing just that. Problem is, undesirable ones get “fixed” as well but these are culled. Brutal but that's how it's done. Remember that next time you walk into somebody’s house and are startled at the resemblance, between the person standing in front of you and the portrait of great, great granddad over the mantle, lol.

Almost anyone with an old family line remaining in one place for centuries is going to find an example or two of first cousin marriage, the family tree branching back in upon itself, particularly in rural or frontier areas. There just weren't that many potential mates and people did what they do, with marriage being the honorable way to deal with the inevitable outcome. A few instances has little to no impact upon the intelligence or genetic health of the line as a whole, and what effects there are are lost in a generation with marriage to an unrelated line, “new blood.”

Royals did it, wealthy families here did it to keep money and/or land from being broken up outside the family. It wasn't always a sign of ignorance, it was done for practical reasons.

34 posted on 08/17/2013 5:52:06 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Sherman Logan

There are people who argue that inbreeding over centuries plays a major role in the stunted and twisted emotional state of muslims in many areas.

To say that consanguinity has no effect of any kind on health, both mental and physical, is simply absurd. It has been confirmed that it is harmful. There is a reason consanguinity is taboo both by culture and law in nearly all human cultures, though not all.


38 posted on 08/17/2013 6:01:00 AM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: Sherman Logan
If it were as harmful as some claim, one would expect the damage to be much greater by now than it apparently is.

Apparently it strengthens the tendency of muzzlems to remain part of a psychotic, violent, intolerant, hateful cult. That's pretty noteable damage.;-)

48 posted on 08/17/2013 6:23:15 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Sherman Logan

The problem is actually worse among Muslim immigrants to the UK. The percentage of cousin marriage in higher in UK cities than it is in Pakistan - because marrying your cousin gives your family member the ability to immigrate. And they dramatically prefer marriage to someone from the home country over a local, arranging marriages for UK born sons to girls from the home country to prevent assimilation. The UK is also having problems with UK born girls sent to Pakistan to marry against their will over summer vacation.
The Pakistani minority is 3% of the British population and has 30% of the birth defects the NHS pays for. The solution is ending cousin marriage, but they see it as cultural survival and family obligation. Even marrying other Pakistanis from other regions or other Muslims would end the problem, but incest is best in their opinion.


62 posted on 08/17/2013 7:14:57 AM PDT by tbw2
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