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Judge: Foreigners can sue U.S. pastor over sermons [Religious Freedom is Dead]
WorldNetDaily ^ | 08/15/13 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 08/16/2013 2:56:26 PM PDT by fwdude

A federal judge has backed a homosexual-rights group in its claim that members were injured by an American pastor’s biblical preaching in Uganda against homosexual behavior.

But the ruling from Judge Michael Posner in a case brought by Sexual Minorities Uganda against Pastor Scott Lively of Abiding Truth Ministries could mean much more. It could establish that an international consensus disavowing long-held biblical standards could trump the U.S. Constitution.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: clintonappointee; fascism; foreigners; homonazis; homosexualagenda; judge; michaelposner; pastor; scottlively; sermons; sue
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Unimaginable development. Now, what any homo-group thinks now trumps our freedoms. We are nearing the end.

This case wouldn't be moving forward if the GayGB didn't think they'd win.

1 posted on 08/16/2013 2:56:26 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude
This is where 'tolerance' and 'diversity' in the contemporary sense are taking us.

The left just cannot wait to turn the guns on us.

2 posted on 08/16/2013 2:59:39 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: fwdude

By the way, I will defend with deadly force this pastor against the Sodomic hoards.


3 posted on 08/16/2013 3:00:07 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: skeeter

I was about the say essentially the same thing.

This isn’t just about homosexual rights. It’s about taking down the United States pure and simple.

Our cornerstones are being taken out.


4 posted on 08/16/2013 3:01:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: fwdude

Bump


5 posted on 08/16/2013 3:03:11 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: little jeremiah

Wanted to ping you on this for the group.


6 posted on 08/16/2013 3:05:20 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

I suppose that little things like evidence of the destructive nature of homosexuality, as evidenced by the fact that the life-expectancies of heterophobes are twenty years shorter than heterosexuals, will be inadmissible.


7 posted on 08/16/2013 3:05:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: fwdude

We are nearing the end.

and none too slowly!!


8 posted on 08/16/2013 3:06:18 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey (This Message NOT Approved By The N.S.A.)
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To: fwdude

An ominous development.


9 posted on 08/16/2013 3:07:21 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: fwdude

It’ll be overturned on appeal. No standing, no jurisdiction, no case, and certainly a judge that needs to be impeached.


10 posted on 08/16/2013 3:07:50 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Nah. A quick review of the article shows this thing will be DESTROYED in court, if it truly even makes it there.


11 posted on 08/16/2013 3:08:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: fwdude

Ponsor was appointed to the bench by then-President Bill Clinton in 1994


12 posted on 08/16/2013 3:10:17 PM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Lazamataz
The simple fact that it has been allowed to move forward to trial is massive "progress" for the moral degenerates. Even if they don't prevail, in 10-15 years, they might.
13 posted on 08/16/2013 3:11:12 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

That’s bad, I agree, ... I guess I don’t have much more to write. It’s bad.


14 posted on 08/16/2013 3:12:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Mouton
Ponsor was appointed to the bench by then-President Bill Clinton in 1994

It figures. But wouldn't have surprised me in the least if it had been H.W. Bush's appointment. He was a closet liberal.

15 posted on 08/16/2013 3:12:50 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: kingu; Lazamataz

Doesn’t mater what happens to the case; by the time it is resolved the pastor and/or his church will be bankrupt.
The bad guys win no matter the outcome.


16 posted on 08/16/2013 3:15:00 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: fwdude
Truly another sign of the coming persecution of Christians. For those coming late to the party, Scott Lively is the co-author of the 1995 book, The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party.

The Pink Swastika, 4th online-edition

The Pink Swastika as Holocaust Revisionist History

17 posted on 08/16/2013 3:15:57 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: skeeter
The left just cannot wait to turn the guns on us

And this is where I have a problem with the evangelicals...there is going to be a time when Christians will be martyred/murdered. In those coming days, there will be a great falling away as many who 'believed' they would be raptured before their torture and death will feel deceived and abandoned. Rev 6:9 isn't just talking about the early church, nor is Rev. 20:4 talking about those who are raptured, but speaks of those who were beheaded for their testimony and/or refusal to accept the mark of the beast.

Things will not get better from here. The time is quickening unto the end of days. Pray for the martyrs.

18 posted on 08/16/2013 3:16:50 PM PDT by EBH (The 'silent majority' is just as responsible for where this country is today as the screaming mob)
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To: fwdude

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/us_district_court_judge_michae.html


19 posted on 08/16/2013 3:19:09 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: fwdude

There are US based Christian services heard in Africa, this ruling if it stands will affect them.

Support gay rights means the end of religious & speech freedoms


20 posted on 08/16/2013 3:19:16 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Little Ray

Counter-sue for legal fees? Get pro-bono lawyers who would probably be glad to shove it up their.... errr.... let me rephrase that.


21 posted on 08/16/2013 3:21:31 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: fwdude

The rules say that CONGRESS cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Nothing says that Marxist useful idiots and their lavender stormtroopers are prevented from shutting you down.


22 posted on 08/16/2013 3:21:33 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: MacNaughton

23 posted on 08/16/2013 3:22:52 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: fwdude

They don’t need to win.
The mere prospect of a lawsuit will effectively shut people up.


24 posted on 08/16/2013 3:24:13 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: fwdude

We the people are “tolerating” ourselves into oblivion.


25 posted on 08/16/2013 3:25:22 PM PDT by lakecumberlandvet
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To: Little Ray
"The bad guys win no matter the outcome."

Not really. I read the back of "the book." They lose. Big time. Keep the faith.
26 posted on 08/16/2013 3:26:00 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: kingu

Agree and very well stated. Way too many freepers ready to wring their hands too quickly.


27 posted on 08/16/2013 3:26:20 PM PDT by alamogal
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To: DoughtyOne

” This isn’t just about homosexual rights. It’s about taking down the United States pure and simple.’

That is it.


28 posted on 08/16/2013 3:27:30 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Speaking of Uganda, from the CDC:

Notes from the Field: Repeat Syphilis Infection and HIV Coinfection Among Men Who Have Sex With Men — Baltimore, Maryland, 2010–2011

29 posted on 08/16/2013 3:28:21 PM PDT by dmcnash (Back off! I'm a Scientist.)
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To: Little Ray

This is one of those cases that many lawyers would jump on, simply to have an appellate win. It is almost a freebie, especially with the hoops and trips that the judge went through on his decision. And I’d almost bet that the lawyer would cross his fingers that it was held up on appeal, so they could go to the SCOTUS for the smackdown.

Just consider this: If this is held up, every single ruling that has supported the liberals who claim to be a church, Westburo Baptist, is out the window and new claims can immediately be sought. SCOTUS doesn’t want to go anywhere near that stinkpot, and this is going to get overturned.

As for legal fees, I think a certain church is going to find their legal fund properly pumped up and will make it through with no problem.


30 posted on 08/16/2013 3:33:50 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: fwdude

With a homo president no wonder homo-ness is taking over. If you dont let the homos into your church they cant be offended or “damaged”, however if you don’t allow them in they’ll say you’re discriminating and sick the feds on you. I say let them in then preach about homosexuality being a sin. If your’re going to be harrassed or sued by the feds you might as well make it worth your time...


31 posted on 08/16/2013 3:35:13 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: fwdude

Lawlessness. Pastor should not have submitted to the court’s jurisdiction. When default is entered, fellow right thinking Americans should take up arms in defense of any enforcement of judgement.


32 posted on 08/16/2013 3:36:07 PM PDT by LALALAW (one of the asses who's sick of our "ruling" classes)
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To: skeeter
The left just cannot wait to turn the guns on us.

Most of them would not live to regret such a decision.

33 posted on 08/16/2013 3:36:45 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: lakecumberlandvet
We the people are “tolerating” ourselves into oblivion.

Excellent tag line. I might steal it from you. :)

34 posted on 08/16/2013 3:37:53 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: EBH

I’m an evangelical. I think there are plenty of us who will give our lives to stand up for our beliefs. I don’t know too many who think we won’t have hard times.


35 posted on 08/16/2013 3:38:47 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: EBH

Corrie Ten Boom said that the preaching of ideas along the lines of the rapture left the European church unprepared for the persecution they faced from the Nazis.


36 posted on 08/16/2013 3:39:50 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: Thane_Banquo

not just on Christians but also on Jews. Yes ladies and gentlemen..history will repeat itself. Though there is good news. God will prevail.


37 posted on 08/16/2013 3:45:00 PM PDT by Patriot Babe
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To: Thane_Banquo

Did Corrie Ten Boom believe that there would be NO rapture, or did she just deny the pre-tribulation rapture?

If she says “no rapture,” she is dead wrong.


38 posted on 08/16/2013 3:47:30 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: buwaya

Can we start a new trend where people can sue the sexual degenerates for harrassing us by promoting a lifestyle where pedophilia and sodomy is the end aim? (no pun attended)


39 posted on 08/16/2013 3:49:01 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Mouton

I’m shocked! /s


40 posted on 08/16/2013 3:49:17 PM PDT by matt04
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To: luckystarmom

2 Thessalonians 2:3

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition,

And Christ declares: “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matthew 7:22, 23).

These apostates of whom Christ speaks did not lose their salvation, they were never “saved” to begin with (”I never knew you”). Yet they outwardly appeared to be high-profile Christian leaders apparently performing miraculous signs and wonders in the name of Christ. They didn’t leave the church to become atheists or to join some non-Christian religion. They remained in the church. They even called Jesus Lord-but without really knowing Him. Tragically, they seemed to think that their ability to prophesy and to perform wonders proved that they belonged to Him. Clearly, doctrine is out and emotional experience is in; and the signs and wonders are so impressive that doctrine no longer matters.


41 posted on 08/16/2013 3:53:15 PM PDT by EBH (The 'silent majority' is just as responsible for where this country is today as the screaming mob)
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To: fwdude

Pre-trib rapture.


42 posted on 08/16/2013 3:59:36 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: fwdude

I know the pastor for my church won’t be deterred.


43 posted on 08/16/2013 4:00:39 PM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: buwaya
The mere prospect of a lawsuit will effectively shut people up.

The definition of SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) designed to use the expense of court cases to intimidate dissent. It should be the JUDGE to see this coming and dismiss the case as 'without standing' which in this case meets the 1st Amendment requirements for the GOVERNMENT to not forbid free expression of speech and religion!

44 posted on 08/16/2013 4:00:52 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government governs best when it governs least!)
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To: fwdude

I don’t understand: If the sermon took place in Uganda, how can an American court have standing here?


45 posted on 08/16/2013 4:02:54 PM PDT by llevrok ("It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words....." - Geo. Orwell)
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To: fwdude
Judge Michael Posner

Any relation to the old Pravda shill (and bung hole buddy of Phil Donohue), Vladimir Posner, I wonder???

46 posted on 08/16/2013 4:05:04 PM PDT by llevrok ("It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words....." - Geo. Orwell)
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To: fwdude
totally insane

Freedom of speech is dead


47 posted on 08/16/2013 4:05:25 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: fwdude

Did Corrie Ten Boom believe that there would be NO rapture, or did she just deny the pre-tribulation rapture?

If she says “no rapture,” she is dead wrong.


Her point was that people weren’t prepared for the persecution, they were taught they would be exempt and thus were unprepared. If you lived what she lived, you would say the same thing.


48 posted on 08/16/2013 4:05:26 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: PowderMonkey

Not really. I read the back of “the book.” They lose. Big time. Keep the faith.

Amen!


49 posted on 08/16/2013 4:08:14 PM PDT by Dacula
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To: fwdude

Michael Posner. Remember that name.


50 posted on 08/16/2013 4:12:19 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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