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To: GilesB

Do not take his words out of context. You neatly avoid his other condemnations of those that sin. You look at the mote in his eye while ignoring your own stick


39 posted on 08/14/2013 7:53:29 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster
WRONG! The subject is the sin of homosexuality. He is encouraging the open practice of that sin and using the fallen nature of man to excuse it. It is no different from someone excusing adultery because someone else is a glutton. Each sin is sin. Pointing out sin in another person in no way excuses sin in ourselves or anybody else. As a matter of fact, pointing out sin in our own lives does nothing to address anybody else’s sins.

NO sin can be addressed if the answer to every question regarding sin is the equivocal, “everybody sins”.

You are taking the mote and beam passage completely out of context. Christ was talking about condemnation of a person for the mote, while the accuser has a beam in their own eye. He also tells us to try the spirits so that we know them - in this case, the spirit on trial is the spirit of open rebellion, that promotes the open practice of sinful behavior and demands acceptance for both the rebel sinner and his sin. It is not wrong for me, in my struggle with my own sin, to refuse to condone the sin of another.

However, sometimes it is wisdom to acknowledge that, because of our own present struggle with a particular sin, we are not properly equipped to counsel our brother in his struggle.

Furthermore, if I am accepting of and asking acceptance for my own sin (beam), then it is wrong to point out sin (mote) in anyone else. If I am struggling with my own sin, it is wrong to condemn another who is struggling with their sin. HOWEVER, just because I am struggling with my own sin, DOES NOT REQUIRE ME TO ENCOURAGE OR ACCEPT SIN IN OTHERS! In fact, I am still called to pray and encourage others to overcome their sin.

58 posted on 08/14/2013 8:29:50 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: Nifster

I did not ignore his condemnation of other sin in my first post - I DIRECTLY addressed it:
“He is right, however, in pointing out some common, overlooked sins in the Christian community - but my sin does not make your sin acceptable, which is the argument he is using.”

YOU chose to ignore what I posted in order to falsely accuse me.

Your petty mote/”stick” accusation is groundless. There is nothing in what I said that excuses or ignores my own faults - and I am not asking anyone, not even myself, to accept sin in my life.


62 posted on 08/14/2013 8:38:54 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: Nifster

That is your whole motivation

Don’t criticize sin unless sinless

In other words don’t criticize sin

That is how teenagers excuse bad behavior

Course you can always criticize racism right?


174 posted on 08/16/2013 6:25:36 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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