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Let the National Conversation Begin
Townhall.com ^ | August 13. 2013 | David Limbaugh

Posted on 08/13/2013 5:36:44 AM PDT by Kaslin

In his new book, "The Liberty Amendments," my friend Mark Levin is offering a bold plan for the re-establishment of America's founding principles and a restoration of constitutional republicanism through a series of amendments to the Constitution.

I know of no one who has a greater reverence for our Constitution and for the scheme of limited government and personal liberties it established. Mark has been a student of America's founding and its constitutional history since he was a young boy, when he and his friends would visit Philadelphia, where it all started, and study the history.

I had many outstanding professors in both undergraduate and law school who were experts in the Constitution and constitutional law, and I know and read many constitutional scholars today. But I've never met anyone so steeped in this subject or so attuned to the minds of the Framers as Mark. He understands our system and the issues underlying its creation more intimately than anyone else.

Mark has written two books, "Liberty and Tyranny" and "Ameritopia," in which he expounds on our founding principles and the threat they are currently under from the forces of liberalism and statism. But in "The Liberty Amendments," he proposes an action plan.

Like Mark, I was originally skeptical of the idea that we should support the calling of a constitutional convention in an effort to rein in the federal government and restore the power of the states and our individual liberties. But that's because I hadn't fully explored what that process would entail.

In fact, Mark is not calling for a constitutional convention. He's suggesting we have a national dialogue with the goal of amending the Constitution under its Article 5. As he points out, Article 5 provides for two methods of amending the Constitution, but in neither case does this process provide for a constitutional convention.

One method is for Congress to pass a proposed amendment and then forward it to the state legislatures for ratification -- a process that has occurred 27 times. The other -- and the one Mark is proposing -- involves the direct application of two-thirds of the state legislatures for a convention for proposing amendments, which, if proposed, would also have to be ratified by three-fourths of the states. This method has been tried but never successfully in our history.

Perhaps my earlier confusion -- and the confusion of others about this process -- lay in the fact that the language includes the word "convention," but it's critical to understand that this is a convention not for some de novo constitution but for the proposal of specific and defined amendments.

Of course, there is some risk in opening up even this limited type of convention, but this risk is mitigated by several factors that Mark delineates and is warranted, in any event, by the urgency of our current state of affairs.

The most important check, to which I've already alluded, is that none of this can occur without the approval of three-fourths of the states. We also should derive some comfort from the fact that the Framers themselves included this amendment process because they knew that they could not anticipate every difficulty the republic would encounter and that only experience and history could serve that purpose.

Another important check against this process's turning into a playground for statists is, in the words of former law professor Robert G. Natelson, that "a convention for proposing amendments is a federal convention; it is a creature of the states or, more specifically, of the state legislatures. And it is a limited-purpose convention. It is not designed to set up an entirely new constitution or a new form of government."

Finally, the likelihood that this process could be hijacked by those hostile to our founding principles is greatly reduced because Congress' role in the state application process that Mark is proposing would be minimal and ministerial.

Most importantly, Mark is not calling for a new constitution or any kind of revision of our founding principles. He seeks to restore our timeless founding principles and shore up the constitutional edifice to preserve them.

But we must first acknowledge that the federal government is out of control, acting far outside its constitutional powers, and has become unmoored from its constitutional foundation -- as few patriots would dispute -- and that this condition is urgent and, if untreated, will result in the end of the American republic.

In addition to making a compelling case for the amendment process, Mark has proposed 10 specific amendments designed to restore and refurbish our founding principles, and all the ideas -- or some similar variation of them -- I dare say, would be enthusiastically embraced by the Framers.

He has done an incredible job of drafting these proposed amendments aimed at re-establishing the balance between the federal and state governments and restating the social contract between the governments and their citizens -- in such a way as to reinvigorate our individual liberties.

Mark modestly insists that these proposals are not set in stone and that he is trying to launch a national conversation to consider the amendment process and specific amendments.

In terms of the viability of our current system as originally crafted, we are in perilous times. Let our national conversation begin, and let us thank Mark Levin for initiating it.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: constitutionallaw; liberty; marklevin; preservation

1 posted on 08/13/2013 5:36:44 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
> But we must first acknowledge that the federal government
> is out of control, acting far outside its constitutional
> powers, and has become unmoored from its constitutional
> foundation

I think unhinged is a better word for what has become of Fedzilla.

2 posted on 08/13/2013 5:43:49 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Kaslin

Im off to B&N in Chattanooga today to pick up my copy

:)


3 posted on 08/13/2013 5:47:00 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Kaslin

I am reminded of a scene from a film, probably Schindler’s List. The Nazis had ordered a group of Jewish prisoners to build a bridge. A young girl who was a brilliant engineering student told the officer that the plan was technically flawed, explained why, and in response the officer blew her brains out.

I’m sure Levin is a world-class expert on the US Constitution, but he may be overestimating the intelligence and honor of the people running things and the people who voted for them.


4 posted on 08/13/2013 5:47:22 AM PDT by HomeAtLast
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To: Kaslin

I have been saying this since whenever. ALL conservative Congressmen and Senators should be carrying around a wish list of amendments to the constitution. Pull that list out and preach it to anyone who will listen.

Otherwise, these politicians should just carry around a white flag.

The Liberals want to annihilate the Conservatives and therefore Republicans. The Libs do not want to settle for just winning the next election. The want to eliminate the competition, period, from every election. Obamacare and Amnesty will do just that.

In the meantime, the Federal government, Fedzilla, is poised to devour all of us.

Without reigning in the beast by amendment, we just kick the can down the road.


5 posted on 08/13/2013 5:49:52 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: Kaslin
...Mark has proposed 10 specific amendments designed to restore and refurbish our founding principles, and all the ideas -- or some similar variation of them -- I dare say, would be enthusiastically embraced by the Framers.

Anyone know where a short list of these 10 is available?

6 posted on 08/13/2013 5:52:34 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: VRW Conspirator
Both Dems and Pubs ignore the Constitution and the laws now. How will adding amendments help with that?

/johnny

7 posted on 08/13/2013 6:06:16 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kaslin

National Conversation? You mean like THIS....

US: You know, the size and power of the Federal Government has expanded way beyond anything envisioned by our Founding Fathers, endangering liberty for us all.

THEM: duh.....those wealthy people are such a-holes. The government pays for my birth control so they’re cool. Who’s won last night on Dancing With The Stars?


8 posted on 08/13/2013 6:18:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

Personally, I’m more interested in working to elect people who will enforce the Amendments we’ve already got.


9 posted on 08/13/2013 6:24:50 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can have socialism or you can have America. You can't have both. Pick one.)
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To: Kaslin

There are serious deficiencies in Levin’s proposal. NOTHING in it addresses the mess of international law to which we have been illegally subjected. At the very minimum, there is one flaw in Article II Section 2 on treaty ratification and an additional ambiguity in the Supremacy Clause the Constitution that need correction.


10 posted on 08/13/2013 6:53:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
How will adding amendments help with that?

You are right, Johnny. I see it as rallying points for one. Without which we are just fighting a defensive retreat. Also, as creating obstacles where someone might be able to sue in court (some courts) to obstruct the tyranny. The statists are moving the ball down the field. How do we move it back? Otherwise, I am reminded of the punch line to an old joke, "Doctor says you are going to die"-The patient is terminal.

11 posted on 08/13/2013 8:12:51 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Producing Talk Show Prep since 1998.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Our only hope for liberty lies in the states.
The states have to, at some point, say “not here”.


12 posted on 08/13/2013 8:14:54 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
That's my take on it.

/johnny

13 posted on 08/13/2013 8:31:36 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kaslin

‘CONversation’ my BUTT!!!

It’s time for ACTION!


14 posted on 08/13/2013 11:08:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JRandomFreeper
How will adding amendments help with that?

It could help if the amendments restate the purpose for having a Constitution in the first place: to allow people to distinguish between lawful government actions which they should abide and lawless actions which they should resist. An amendment which explicitly specifies that certain government actions are lawless authorizes citizens to use any means necessary, including deadly force, to stop them, would likely serve as a strong deterrent to such actions even if courts would be loath to take action against them.

Another thing that would be helpful would be some clarifications regarding the relationship between the supremacy clause and court decisions. Among other things:

  1. Not every illegitimate action justifies a remedy
  2. The fact that an dubious action is found not to justify a remedy does not imply that the action was legitimate
  3. For someone to act legitimately on behalf of government, the person must have a good-faith belief that their actions are in fact legitimate (and not merely that they would not be found so patently illegitimate as to justify action against them).
  4. It's not possible for a system of laws to anticipate every possible scenario; courts must sometimes use their own judgment and invent remedies which are not explicitly provided for by law. Such cases should have limited value as precedent, however: not only should their use be limited to situations which are not adequately provided for by existing laws, but a finding that one of the parties deliberately acted to create situations which existing laws can't handle should be considered prima facie evidence that the party in question was acting in bad faith, and would consequently justify ruling against that party even if the precedent would otherwise seem to favor them.
It's too bad courts pay so little heed to the question of whether people were acting in good faith. An honest evaluation of such issues would go a long way toward avoiding the kinds of problem scenarios where judges have no alternative but to invent remedies.
15 posted on 08/13/2013 4:25:58 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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