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Spain considering alliance with Argentina over Gibraltar, Falkland Islands
Hotair ^ | 08/12/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 08/12/2013 12:08:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The dispute over the Falkland Islands may get a boost at the UN, thanks to Spain’s designs on Gibraltar. According to the Spanish newspaper El Pais and reported in the Telegraph, Spain’s foreign minister has traveled to Argentina to discuss the possibility of both countries supporting each other’s territorial ambitions at the expense of the UK — and self-determination:

Spanish foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo will use a trip to Buenos Aires next month to raise the possibility of forging a joint diplomatic offensive with the South American country over the disputed territories, sources told Spain’s El Pais newspaper.

Spain’s foreign ministry was also discussing whether to take its complaints over Gibraltar to the United Nations, the newspaper reported on Sunday.

The sources did not specify whether Spain would ask the UN to back a request for Britain to give up sovereignty or just adhere to certain agreements.

It could take its petition to the Security Council or take up the matter with the UN General Assembly.

Spain is also considering the option of denouncing Gibraltar to the International Court of Justice in the Hague for its “illegal occupation” of the isthmus – the strip of land connecting the peninsula to the mainland that was not included in the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht.

Gibraltar, like the Falklands, has a semi-autonomous relationship with the UK. In both enclaves, the people living there have repeatedly voted to remain independent and aligned with the UK for defense and foreign relations. Both are strategically important for the UK — the Falklands as a south Atlantic naval base and oil source, and Gibraltar for access to the Mediterranean. It wasn’t that long ago that Great Britain needed that security for Mediterranean operations; it was just seven decades ago, a rather brief period in the context of the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht.

This weekend, Spain made it clear that it wants to play hardball by imposing harassing border checks into the isthmus:

The UK government is considering legal action against Spain over the imposition of additional border checks in Gibraltar, Downing Street has said.

A spokesman said the prime minister was “very disappointed” by Spain’s failure to remove the checks over the weekend.

Legal action through the EU would be “unprecedented”, the spokesman added.

The Spanish government, which has said its checks are essential to stop smuggling, said it would not relax border controls.

Spain said it had an “obligation” to police the border, and insisted its controls were legal and proportionate.

A government spokesman also said Spain was considering taking the dispute to the UN Security Council, where it could seek the support of Argentina.

Argentina will leap at the chance to get the UN to rule on the Falklands, but it’s quite a different situation, and the UN Security Council isn’t likely to back a consolidation of the issues. Gibraltar and the isthmus are attached to Spain itself, for one thing, while the Falkland Islands are 250 miles off of Argentina’s coast, far outside of national waters under any definition. After attacking the islands in the early 1980s, the UN is probably not disposed to look favorably on Argentina’s claims, at least not where it counts, especially when the islanders themselves have repeatedly made it clear that they want nothing to do with Argentina.

That’s not to say that Spain has a much better claim, at least legally speaking. The treaty in 1713 remains in force, and Spain’s citation of it regarding the isthmus inadvertently endorses its continuing legality. Their sudden interest in forcing the issue came after the creation of an artificial reef which Spain argues interferes with fishing rights, but that is an issue for direct diplomacy, not the UN, and neither is the Treaty of Utrecht, which has been in force longer than most nations in the UN — including the US.

The only real measure of the claims made by both countries is that of self-determination, after centuries’ worth of status quo. Any attempt to use the UN to force a change in sovereignty would violate the UN’s supposed bedrock principle of self-determination, and the UK will certainly make extensive use of its Security Council veto to make sure that doesn’t happen. The end result of Spanish-Argentinian plotting will be a continuation of the status quo, with an extra added benefit of exposing the bad-faith motivations from both governments.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: argentina; falklands; gibraltar; spain
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1 posted on 08/12/2013 12:08:34 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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SPAIN ACCUSES GIBRALTAR OF BUILDING ON STOLEN LAND


2 posted on 08/12/2013 12:09:31 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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3 posted on 08/12/2013 12:10:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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4 posted on 08/12/2013 12:11:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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And Spain will soon be going to the European Union,of which Britain is one of the main “donor” countries (along with Germany,Finland and a few others),looking for a half trillion euro bailout.
5 posted on 08/12/2013 12:12:10 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit)
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To hell with what those falklanders want!


6 posted on 08/12/2013 12:12:50 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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Spain has several separatist movements who would just love to get some moral and legal support from other countries. Spain had better watch out what it might start.


7 posted on 08/12/2013 12:13:07 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Gay State Conservative
SPANISH UNEMPLOYMENT TOPS RECORD


8 posted on 08/12/2013 12:13:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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The UK government is considering legal action against Spain

In a more civilized time, the UK would have just started shelling the Spanish coast. "It's ours. We're not giving up our sovereignty. You need to shut up."

9 posted on 08/12/2013 12:14:20 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (21st century. I'm not a fan.)
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A two-front war. England doesn’t have a chance.


10 posted on 08/12/2013 12:14:56 PM PDT by jim_trent
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Only thing Spain is noted for is Bulls and Queen Isabella.


11 posted on 08/12/2013 12:17:35 PM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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Took a cruise a few years ago that stopped at Gilbralter for a day. The 99 year lease is over, but the Brits aren't about to give it up. One claim is that they have to protect those ugly nasty apes descended from the ones pirates left there a long time ago. Lots of expatriots live there....I forget from where.

The thing that's weird is Gibralter depends on Spain for garbage removal and electricity....they'd really have trouble being truly independent on that rock.

Weird day. Nasty apes. Great view from the top of the rock.

12 posted on 08/12/2013 12:19:27 PM PDT by grania
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That is the right answer.

When your government has a failed domestic policy, try to distract the people with a foreign adventure.

That is what Argentina’s Junta did with the Falklands War, and is what the current Argentine and Spanish regimes are likely to try to do today.


13 posted on 08/12/2013 12:20:59 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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Aggressive negotiations?


14 posted on 08/12/2013 12:22:20 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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Against the failed states of Spain and Argentina?! The UK may be on the down slide, but that would not even be a close fight. More of a turkey shoot...


15 posted on 08/12/2013 12:23:06 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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I strongly recommend that Spain put together a great naval Spanish Armada and sail it toward Endland to bring Great Britain to its knees.

I’m sure that would work out well.


16 posted on 08/12/2013 12:25:45 PM PDT by House Atreides ( D)
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This is a stupid move on the part of Spain. Their economy is in the tank and they really need all of the help that they could possibly get. They really can’t afford to poke Great Britain in the eye and yet they are doing it. Dumb.


17 posted on 08/12/2013 12:28:03 PM PDT by Pamlico (Oppose 0bama at every opportunity)
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Fight Londonistan?


18 posted on 08/12/2013 12:29:12 PM PDT by GeronL
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Only thing Spain is noted for is Bulls and Queen Isabella.

...And dictators who are "still dead."


19 posted on 08/12/2013 12:31:16 PM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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Fight Londonistan?

Londonistan vs. Al-Andalus.

20 posted on 08/12/2013 12:34:54 PM PDT by free-in-nyc (Freeping from the heart of the occupation)
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