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Is the Paul Ryan budget dead? Spending bill with deep cuts yanked because it lacked the votes
American Thinker ^ | 08/01/2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 08/01/2013 7:37:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

If yesterday's actions by House Republicans are any indication, it would appear that there aren't enough Republicans in the House to approve the deep cuts necessary to reach a balanced budget in 10 years as the Ryan plan requires.

When House Republicans approved the Ryan budget a few months ago, there were many Republicans who warned that the deep cuts being called for (along with entitlement reform) would not be passed. Too many cuts for goodies like roads and bridges not to mention deep cuts in social programs would make too many in the GOP caucus skittish.

Yesterday, those warnings came to fruition as the leadership yanked a Transportation, Housing and Urban Development bill from the floor when it became apparent they didn't have the votes for passage.

The Hill:

Long-running Republican tensions over the Ryan budget's deep spending cuts boiled over Wednesday as the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee accused his party of being unable to support them.

In a blistering statement, Chairman Hal Rogers (R-Ky.) said he was "extremely disappointed" with his leadership's decision to pull the Transportation and Housing and Urban Development (THUD) spending bill from the floor.

Leadership said they simply ran out of time -- but Rogers charged that wasn't the real reason.

He hinted that a vote on the measure was scrapped because leaders didn't have the votes to support the deep cuts he was directed to write, and accused Republicans of effectively abandoning House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's (R-Wis.) budget.

Rogers called for a bipartisan deal that would replace the unpopular sequester with something bridging the gap between the House budget and Senate spending measures he said were too costly to pass the lower chamber.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 08/01/2013 7:37:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

They’ve put their moist finger in the air and correctly determined the prevailing wind direction.

America wants Free Candy.


2 posted on 08/01/2013 7:42:46 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And a pony!


3 posted on 08/01/2013 7:48:10 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yes they do...

We are hanging by a string here. Consider what is going to happen when the minimum wage soars to $15 as the fast food workers want, other wages tied to it sky rocket 50%, commodities soar 50% or more, G spending tied to inflation sky rockets, the fed continues pumping in paper money into the inferno and bond rates sky rocket to 20% or more? With no one with any backbone and politicians just buying votes because the voters only care about the “money” they have verses its worth, the end could be nearer than some think.

In China and Russia when they could not feed the population, they culled the population through starvation. I wonder what they have in store for us here but for sure, it will not include those in power.


4 posted on 08/01/2013 7:55:06 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Ryan is pushing Amnesty.

He is a traitor, just like Rubio.


5 posted on 08/01/2013 7:55:09 AM PDT by Oak Grove (H)
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To: SeekAndFind

But hey at least he “looks” like a conservative now, right?

I mean on things that don’t stand a chance at actually becoming law, much like Marco Rubio.

But what does he look like on things that stand a very good chance on becoming law?

He looks like a progressive, much like Marco Rubio.

Paul Ryan is a pretend conservative.


6 posted on 08/01/2013 7:55:55 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Yes..they have no guts...all talk and no action..in time when the dollar collapses and the USA falls apart...then there will be cuts..and much much more pain than if we did it now....but the politicians do not have the backbone to do what is needed....so Food stamps to 100 million is next..and everyone on disability insurance....free money..can you say Zimbabwe
7 posted on 08/01/2013 7:57:30 AM PDT by Youngman542012
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To: Oak Grove

TRUTH!


8 posted on 08/01/2013 7:57:49 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Orangedog

And a skittles pooping unicorn.


9 posted on 08/01/2013 7:58:23 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What? Do you mean that they didn’t sign it so that they could see what is in it?


10 posted on 08/01/2013 8:01:43 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: SeekAndFind
I didn't really know what the Ryan budget had proposed. And I now that I found out I'm really shocked that republicans won't support it. I think the article I read was quoting Ryan, from the WSJ, but it wasn't in quotation marks.

Our opponents will shout austerity, but let's put this in perspective. On the current path, we'll spend $46 trillion over the next 10 years. Under our proposal, we'll spend $41 trillion. On the current path, spending will increase by 5% each year. Under our proposal, it will increase by 3.4%. Because the U.S. economy will grow faster than spending, the budget will balance by 2023, and debt held by the public will drop to just over half the size of the economy.

My comments are 1) That approach is mild and let's the govt spend too much money. 2) It assumes that growth will balance the budget - And while we can't predict the future, the past five years of growth has just been dismal. 3) Even if passed, it would require discipline from the next 5 Congresses as well as three presidential terms. That is too many conditions with an opposition party that wants to increase spending. Republicans need to be bolder....It's sad to see that they are so cowed by the opposition party/media that they don't even have the balls to do something so timid as the Ryan plan. Are there no real men in the Republican party?
11 posted on 08/01/2013 8:04:05 AM PDT by BJ1
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought I liked him, and as a person, I guess I do. But Ryan’s plan was a fraud from the beginning. It forecast an uninterrupted growth rate of 4% and we have not achieved that for 30 years. It’s always arguing with mathematics with these guys. Always.


12 posted on 08/01/2013 8:10:05 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Both parties are trying to elect a new PEOPLE.)
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To: BJ1

No, but there a lot of wolves in sheep suits.


13 posted on 08/01/2013 8:11:36 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind

On to Amnesty!


14 posted on 08/01/2013 8:23:58 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SeekAndFind; SoFloFreeper; Jim Robinson; kristinn; Kaslin; IBD editorial writer; ...

Thank you for posting this thoughtful thread.

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” - - - deep cuts in social programs would make too many in the GOP caucus skittish. - - - “

The above quote highlights the cowardice of the Republican Leadership to stand on principle and fight FOR the basic values of our Republic.

John “Cave-In” Boehner has proven for 4 + YEARS to be a failure as a REPUBLICAN Speaker of The House.

This calls into question why the Republican Members of The House have chosen to face the upcoming “Budget” Battle with a proven loser as their Speaker.

Has the desire by House Republicans to lose become insatiable?

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It is all well and good for us to use the broadbrush name of “RINO” to chastise those Republicans who have strong affinity with Democrats, but it is the ACTIONS or LACK OF ACTIONS that thus avoids being specifically chastised.

If we look at the total Federal problem, a case can be made that over 40 % of Federal Spending is spent on Welfare programs such as Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Aid to dependent children, Disability aid, and other re-distribution programs such as the Un-Constitutional Obama’care.’

Instead of using the broadbrush terms of “Liberals,” and “RINOs,” we should be using “Welfare Democrats” and “Welfare Republicans” to those respective Party members who have consistently voted for increasing the amount of Federal Spending on Welfare Programs.

In this manner, Welfare Republicans can be weeded out in the Primaries during the 2014 National Primary Campaign, and replaced by Republicans who truly have demonstrated that the only way to reduce Federal Welfare Spending is to reduce Federal Welfare Spending on a year to year basis.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/08/is_the_paul_ryan_budget_dead.html#ixzz2ajGNg3pf
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15 posted on 08/01/2013 8:31:18 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
it crashed with a 'thud'.

(Transportation and Housing and Urban Development)

16 posted on 08/01/2013 8:45:55 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As soon as this kid rolled out his “replace medicare with a voucher” scheme I learned all I needed to about him and he has proven me right.

Shameless huckster who will do say/ say anything to win lamestreem approval.

Go take your backwards cap and open a gym somewhere, punk.


17 posted on 08/01/2013 8:53:33 AM PDT by In Another Time... (..In another place...)
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To: BJ1

The Ryan budget (which cannot gain a majority of the GOP caucus) is totally inadequate. Its cuts are minor, trivial, of no real significance.

We need a $1.8 trillion cut, immediately, followed by serial cuts of $500 billion until we get total Federal spending down to $750-$900 billion.

Needless to say, cuts of this magnitude are impossible (in the sense that they cannot and will not be achieved by elected representatives). This has been shown over and over and over again since 1945, throughout the “free” world. No legislature chosen by a universal franchise, anywhere, has ever cut total public spending - it’s not part of the design. Cannot happen.

So, the necessary and inevitable cuts will be imposed by force. Whose force? Ours? Chinas? The collapse? I have no idea.

It would be preferable to voluntarily cut to $750 billion than to be cut to zero by events - but that train left the station after the Great Compromise of 1986.

And, by the way, the Republicans with their corrupt and evil tax policy are equally to blame with the Democrats, with their corrupt and evil spending policy.


18 posted on 08/01/2013 8:54:53 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: In Another Time...

RE: As soon as this kid rolled out his “replace medicare with a voucher” scheme I learned all I needed to about him and he has proven me right.

So, what do you propose Medicare ( going bankrupt) be replaced with?


19 posted on 08/01/2013 8:57:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Defund or tax and pay more for it are the two obvious options.

Replacing it with coupons will be more expensive and is a giveaway to insurance companies.

But perhaps, I have been too harsh calling him a huckster. Given this is the “math wizard” who can’t read an opinion poll maybe he is sincere and not that bright.


20 posted on 08/01/2013 9:04:52 AM PDT by In Another Time... (..In another place...)
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