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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Basically... let the evangelical model’s own successes make their point. It was easy enough to pummel on Luther at the start; he was a hot tempered man who among other things used such extreme language as wishing those who did not appreciate church music to be imprisoned in a silent wilderness (and there there are the curses at the Jews which are to cringe to see). But when the movement grew, other reformers joined, the clashes resulted in clarification (at least of where the disagreements are), and the imprint of the original reformers was mellowed out into an evangelical blend. And the gospel sees spectacular success in transforming lives. There’s generally no “mother, may I” games going on in these churches, is why, no pedantic penance auditors (and the often sad loss of counseling has its own pitfalls but at least it does not block the Lord as much, an absent doctrine is better than a twisted one)."

Not sure where you are going with this. But, Luther had more than 17 years of marinating in Roman error...until God rescued him from their heresies. It took a long time to work out the errors still stuck in his thinking. Many never did get worked out. His view of baptism, the wine/bread/, even some politics came and went. I am not advocating Luther, Calvin, Hus, Zwingli, or even Sproul. They all have contributions and they all have limitations. But, at least they point at the Book as the proof text for truth.

The Book is our source doc for truth and Rome does not comport with the Book they wrongly claim to have delivered to the world. They are driven by tradition and they point at themselves as the source of truth. Therein lies the problem.

272 posted on 08/03/2013 6:13:13 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88

What I am saying is to be aware of what the evangelical pitch (which I accept as true and have proven out in practice, which by the way is what the bible tells us to do) will look like on the Roman end. They’re going to view it through a heavy cloud of presuppositions which is why we get objections like “oh, you’re being your own pope.” That’s where “patient instruction” means more than what might look like a temper tantrum to them.

I hope I’m not talking past you. I’m just saying the evangelical model has nothing to be ashamed of if the bible is not only preached but obeyed in presenting it. The two (doctrine and obedience) really are integrated wonderfully by the Holy Spirit.


273 posted on 08/04/2013 12:30:37 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Basically... present the bible with your life. Not just your talk. That’s all I’m getting at. It’s a love affair with God that you want to spread.


274 posted on 08/04/2013 12:33:44 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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