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Off-duty officer fatally shot man suspected of shoplifting at Garland (TX) Wal-Mart
The Dallas Morning News ^ | 28 July 2013 | Tristan Hallman

Posted on 07/29/2013 4:55:57 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

An off-duty Garland police officer fatally shot a man suspected of shoplifting Sunday at a Wal-Mart, police said. Police said the officer, a 19-year veteran, was working security at the Wal-Mart in the 1800 block of Marketplace in Garland. The officer said the man had been seen shoplifting several items, police spokesman Joe Harn said. Harn said the man ran outside after the officer attempted to stop him on his way out through the outdoor living section’s sliding doors just before 4 p.m.

The officer used his Taser on the man, but it appeared to have no effect. Harn said the man then came at the officer with a crowbar, one of the items police accused him of stealing from the store.

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The officer had warned him to stop, police said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: officer; shoplifter; shot; texas
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What's the race of each individual? Should the officer have attempted to take the crowbar away from the guy instead of shooting him? Did the officer give sufficient warning?
1 posted on 07/29/2013 4:55:57 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: All; Lazmataz

Was the crowbar black? Did this influence the officer’s decision?


2 posted on 07/29/2013 4:56:52 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
There's an electronics store in Manhattan that I visit often that uses uniformed NYPD as security.I'll bet they don't get many shoplifters.
3 posted on 07/29/2013 4:58:48 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

“Should the officer have attempted to take the crowbar away from the guy instead of shooting him?”

No. I’ve blocked plenty of blows in practice. In real life, if the block isn’t perfect even a light object can cause injury. A glancing blow from something like a crowbar might cause debilitating injury. The officer might not be able to respond quickly to the second blow and he’d die or be horribly injured.


4 posted on 07/29/2013 5:00:46 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gay State Conservative

I’ll bet they don’t get many shoplifters.

other than the cop. lol


5 posted on 07/29/2013 5:01:20 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Jim Crowbar


6 posted on 07/29/2013 5:01:47 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Should have included ‘crowbar wielding’ in the title. First thing I thought when I read the headline was ‘Wow, thats a bit harsh’.


7 posted on 07/29/2013 5:03:40 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Officer’s at fault. He shouldn’t have gotten out of his car that morning. The saintly crowbar aficionado was probably only looking for Skittles and Iced Tea. We need justice for the crowbar. /s


8 posted on 07/29/2013 5:05:30 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Nice headline by newspaper to create fake news.

How about suspected shoplifter shot for attempted murder on police officer.


9 posted on 07/29/2013 5:05:39 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Garland’s not a particularly “black” part of the Metroplex. Odds are the perp was hispanic. I suspect, though, that this is a case of “dog bites man”. The perp came at the guard with a weapon. This being Texas we’re talking about, there was no question that the guard was armed, and fully within his rights to defend himself against imminent bodily harm. Texas’ laws are nice and straightforward in that respect, much as they are about property (can shoot invader inside your house any time, and anywhere on the property after dark).


10 posted on 07/29/2013 5:05:48 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I have a couple of thoses yellow civilian crow bars but they are wimpy!! I want to get one of those assault crowbars. They can really tear $hit up good!


11 posted on 07/29/2013 5:11:17 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

What a bullshit headline...it sounds as though the officer shot him for shoplifting. It’s several paragraphs into the story before it comes out the guy came at him with a crow bar.


12 posted on 07/29/2013 5:15:21 AM PDT by ontap (***)
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other than the cop. lol

Well,it *is* an electronics store...and a huge one at that.And they *do* have an entire department dedicated to security systems.And you *do* see security cameras everywhere you look.So maybe the cops,in this case,fight the temptation.

13 posted on 07/29/2013 5:16:09 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

” the man then came at the officer with a crowbar”

“came at”? What does that mean exactly?

1. He raised the crowbar above his head and rushed at the officer.

2. While still 20 feet away, the man started to raise the crowbar. Before he could fire, I shot first.


14 posted on 07/29/2013 5:35:36 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

” Harn said there were witnesses and surveillance video of the incident.”

Good, let’s keep everybody honest. Justified or not justified? The video should tell us.


15 posted on 07/29/2013 5:39:15 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Little Pig

The officer tazed the perp to no effect? Sum Ting Wong.

Autopsy/toxicology called for, IMO.


16 posted on 07/29/2013 6:01:36 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Azeem
Nice headline by newspaper to create fake news.

That's what I thought too.

At the bottom of the article, there is this statement:

Did you see something wrong in this story, or something missing? Let us know.

The reporter's email address is at the top of the article:

thallman@dallasnews.com

17 posted on 07/29/2013 6:03:45 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: elcid1970

Sometimes the electrodes hang up in the perp’s clothing, or miss completely. The guard might also have been too far away.


18 posted on 07/29/2013 6:05:07 AM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan; ontap
Ping to post #17.

I forgot to include you on the reply list.

19 posted on 07/29/2013 6:06:00 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Should have included ‘crowbar wielding’ in the title.

What, no "UNARMED"?

20 posted on 07/29/2013 6:11:59 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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