Skip to comments.ACLU to Holder: Zimmerman case is over
Posted on 07/21/2013 12:14:08 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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I think as more people see that TM isn’t 12 years old, as his photo shows, and evidence arises that he really was a thug, these people are embarassed. They also didn’t know, until now, that GZ associated with, and helped blacks. Now they’re waving the white flag.
I dont trust the aclu as far as i can throw them. I dont care what they have to say.
very good point, especially since the attention span of the low information voter is about 10 days. They will find something else to focus on, like what Kim and Kanye are doing. Perfect examples are, Bengahzi, IRS, Fast and Furious - we see how much is getting done on these little treats.
The only reason that Holder is keeping the prospect of federal charges open is to protect Tracey Martin, Sybrina Fulton, Ben Crump, Natalie Jackass, Daryl Parks, Jasmine Rand from civil litigation and criminal prosecution.
He is extending the DOJ umbrella of protection over these low lifes and their ill gotten gains to buy them time. But that umbrella is getting heavy .......
And I’ve found myself siding with Putin on both Syria and Snowden.
I think I’m a patriot without a country.
Even though the Supreme Court permits a federal prosecution following a state prosecution, the ACLU believes the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Constitution protects someone from being prosecuted in another court for charges arising from the same transaction. A jury found Zimmerman not guilty, and that should be the end of the criminal case.
Wow, this is something. Perhaps the first time that I ever agreed with the ACLU! And they are spot on! 0dumb0 & Holder are trying to milk this for all its worth, pandering & appeasing & inciting the race baitors & demoRAT plantation slaves. But even the ACLU recognized that this is a farce and is calling for Holder to STFU and drop this charade!
Ditto the feeling, everything is upside-down, backwards, and what used to be right is now wrong and vise versa with no end in sight.
That said, if there is anything the DOJ can do to help the Martins/Fultons...it is at their service!
“Obama and Holder are arrogant, childish, and spiteful. They are investigating to keep Zimmerman under a constant intimidation of the federal government. Just like their little spite move telling the AG of Florida to put a hold on Zimmermans gun used to shoot Martin. That was just a big
Youre not gonna do what you want move. Until this case is closed by the Feds Zimmerman will be investigated, snooped on, phones tapped, history scoured for so-called racial bias, a snitch line will remain open, etc.
The point is to show Zimmerman who is boss regardless the verdict.”
That is how racist and petty Obama and his bitch boy Holder really are.
The only laws that my people holder and mac daddy the first follow are the ones they agree with.
You know the regime is having trouble when the lap dogs start saying you’re going too far.
I have a dream.
I have a dream that the Sheriiff of the county where Sanford is tells Holder that he will arrest any Federal agents coming to Sanford with the intention of putting a man found not guilty by a jury of his peers into a double jeopardy situation.
And that includes Holder.
I have a dream.
Although I loathe and despise the exploitation of pre-existing self-pity and self-infliction in the black community and political gain from it by this administration, my understanding of double jeopardy as construed by SCOTUS since 1959, is that one can be tried for the same offense “by separate sovereigns.” States are separate sovereign from each other and from the federal government, so theoretically, the feds could retry this state case in a federal court (if they have valid standing and cause of action). Of course, if Holder tried to do it, Zimmerman could possibly seek a restraining order while applying for certiorari from SCOTUS to reconsider the current law on double jeopardy.
That is one disturbing photo. Al looks embalmed.
So 5 people.
The case was OVER the Saturday before last! In fact, it was OVER when the cops wisely decided to not charge Zimmmerman in Feb 2012!
WHY is Osama Obama trying to start a Race War in the US?
I think they are becoming afraid of some of the same things we have been afraid of for a long time..
“But he wants to say hes considering, to appease the people who want it”
“But he wants to say he’s considering, to stir up the rabble who want it”
There, fixed it.
What next? On-line polling on aol/Huffpost? Watch them do that now.
They’ll call it Virtual Lynch Mob.
Agreed, and he never did.
Holder and Ubama do, however, have to do a dance for the benefit of the ignorant masses that support them. This letter from the ACLU was no doubt requested on the q t by Holder. He's trying to get himself as much cover as possible before he sheepishly admits to the ignorant masses there's nothing more he can do, gee whiz and gosh darn it all. It's all bukkake theater with this crowd.
Sh!t! More people drawing down the ammo stocks.
Who would’ve thunk?
The DOJ was operating in the background to drum up protests - they were not an official party in the criminal proceedings. Therefore, they can still bring a separate, unrelated case based on different FedLaw.
Double Jeopardy can only be claimed for prosecution on the same state murder charges (or the lesser charges presented by prosecution, enumerated by the judge, and considered by the jury).
Zimmerman can still be hounded on Fed or state civil charges (that's how OJ was successfully sued before his kidnapping conviction).
And more importantly, why hasn't anyone asked him that question on record? We know that ABC NBC CBS PBS NPR CNN MCNBC BBC never will. Someone needs to throw it out there just to see their reaction.
He can be tried in federal court, but NOT because Fed and state are separate. He can be tried because the “crimes” are different. Murder vs. “hate crime”, however, I think one could argue in federal court that he can’t be convicted of a hate crime without murder being a part of that. The ONLY thing he did to Martin was kill him. Without considering murder, you have no crime. If you have no crime, you can’t prove what his attitude was. Murder can not be considered in federal court because then THAT would be double jeopardy.
No, but it's much more logical to charge cops a second time with Federal civil rights violations because they are acting under the color of law. Zimmerman was a private citizen, so there really is no coherent Federal case to be made against him. In this rare case, the ACLU is actually setting aside its collectivist agenda for a moment and telling the truth.
In a case that is obviously groundless for additional prosecution, the ACLU is simply getting itself some cheap publicity by standing on the side of the obvious.
If there had been the slightest shred of evidence upon which the federal prosecution could have gone forward, the ACLU would have either kept its mouth shut and it’s finger to the wind, or it would have been cheerleading from the sidelines, all based on their perception of the strength of the case.
They are carrion eaters.
Just goes to show the abuses of power and the current police state/Banana Republic stink so much as to turn off even some of the hard-core Leftist base.
Pretty outstanding, IMHO.
Check around while you're up there.
Dream On....Holder and Obama are fascists...they see far too much rascist propaganda value remaining that they can dedicate to the destruction of the US Constitution, to leave the Trayvon Martin case ( its no longer the Zimmerman Case) alone.
Holder and Obama are treasonous usurpers and both should be impeached, and Congress needs to get on with it.
Anyone doubt that Holder will use NSA and the IRS and any other agency he can to get Zimmerman and his family members?
There have been cases where cops who crimes were subjected to sham prosecutions. In such cases, it would seem that federal prosecution might be appropriate but the federal government should first have to demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence that the first prosecution was a sham that it never subjected the defendant to any "real" jeopardy (e.g. the judge issued a directed verdict because the prosecution failed to show that the crime was committed in the county where the case was being tried); additionally, a jury that ultimately hears the case should likewise be presented with enough information about the original case to allow them to decide whether the prosecution was done in good faith, or was done in bad faith with the intention of avoiding putting the defendant in any real jeopardy.
If cops want to be subject to all of the same protections as everyone else, on the same terms, they should be subject to the same rules as well. Exemptions from rules which would apply to ordinary citizens carry with them extra responsibilities. Cops who are not willing to accept and honor those responsibilities should be instantly subject to the same rules as anyone else.
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