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ACLU to Holder: Zimmerman case is over
breitbart.com ^ | 7/21/2013 | Lisa De Pasquale

Posted on 07/21/2013 12:14:08 PM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: RoosterRedux

I think as more people see that TM isn’t 12 years old, as his photo shows, and evidence arises that he really was a thug, these people are embarassed. They also didn’t know, until now, that GZ associated with, and helped blacks. Now they’re waving the white flag.


51 posted on 07/21/2013 2:02:27 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: nickcarraway

Bump.


52 posted on 07/21/2013 2:05:49 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/Uh_Yeah.mp3


53 posted on 07/21/2013 2:08:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: cynwoody

I dont trust the aclu as far as i can throw them. I dont care what they have to say.


54 posted on 07/21/2013 2:13:25 PM PDT by freshlook
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To: nickcarraway

very good point, especially since the attention span of the low information voter is about 10 days. They will find something else to focus on, like what Kim and Kanye are doing. Perfect examples are, Bengahzi, IRS, Fast and Furious - we see how much is getting done on these little treats.


55 posted on 07/21/2013 2:20:51 PM PDT by Cyclone59 (I wish people would get their heads out of their butts and their noses out of everyones business)
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To: RoosterRedux

The only reason that Holder is keeping the prospect of federal charges open is to protect Tracey Martin, Sybrina Fulton, Ben Crump, Natalie Jackass, Daryl Parks, Jasmine Rand from civil litigation and criminal prosecution.

He is extending the DOJ umbrella of protection over these low lifes and their ill gotten gains to buy them time. But that umbrella is getting heavy .......


56 posted on 07/21/2013 2:34:56 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: x1stcav

And I’ve found myself siding with Putin on both Syria and Snowden.

I think I’m a patriot without a country.


57 posted on 07/21/2013 3:23:12 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: RoosterRedux
ACLU to Holder: Zimmerman case is over...
In a letter from the ACLU to Attorney General Eric Holder:

Even though the Supreme Court permits a federal prosecution following a state prosecution, the ACLU believes the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Constitution protects someone from being prosecuted in another court for charges arising from the same transaction. A jury found Zimmerman not guilty, and that should be the end of the criminal case.

Wow, this is something. Perhaps the first time that I ever agreed with the ACLU! And they are spot on! 0dumb0 & Holder are trying to milk this for all its worth, pandering & appeasing & inciting the race baitors & demoRAT plantation slaves. But even the ACLU recognized that this is a farce and is calling for Holder to STFU and drop this charade!

58 posted on 07/21/2013 3:23:21 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: butterdezillion

Ditto the feeling, everything is upside-down, backwards, and what used to be right is now wrong and vise versa with no end in sight.


59 posted on 07/21/2013 3:26:35 PM PDT by slipper (The best is yet to come)
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To: Uncle Chip
How does that DOJ unbrella work? Haven't heard of that before?

That said, if there is anything the DOJ can do to help the Martins/Fultons...it is at their service!

60 posted on 07/21/2013 3:30:51 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (You can't eat Sharia)
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To: snarkytart

“Obama and Holder are arrogant, childish, and spiteful. They are investigating to keep Zimmerman under a constant intimidation of the federal government. Just like their little spite move telling the AG of Florida to put a hold on Zimmerman’s gun used to shoot Martin. That was just a big
“You’re not gonna do what you want” move. Until this case is closed by the Feds Zimmerman will be investigated, snooped on, phones tapped, history scoured for so-called racial bias, a snitch line will remain open, etc.
The point is to show Zimmerman who is boss regardless the verdict.”

Nailed it.
That is how racist and petty Obama and his bitch boy Holder really are.


61 posted on 07/21/2013 3:46:49 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: RoosterRedux

The only laws that my people holder and mac daddy the first follow are the ones they agree with.


62 posted on 07/21/2013 3:46:58 PM PDT by chiefqc
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To: txhurl

You know the regime is having trouble when the lap dogs start saying you’re going too far.


63 posted on 07/21/2013 4:56:40 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
When the ACLU tells liberals to stop you know they have really gone over the edge.

I don't think that's what's happening here. I think it much more likely the ACLU is acting in collusion with the Obama Administration to provide political cover for not proceeding with a Federal-level prosecution.

This is all political kabuki theater, as I see it. The goal isn't to get Zimmerman retried, but rather to repurpose the situation to go after stand your ground laws and promote gun control measures.
64 posted on 07/21/2013 4:59:53 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: RoosterRedux

I have a dream.

I have a dream that the Sheriiff of the county where Sanford is tells Holder that he will arrest any Federal agents coming to Sanford with the intention of putting a man found not guilty by a jury of his peers into a double jeopardy situation.

And that includes Holder.

I have a dream.


65 posted on 07/21/2013 5:03:30 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: familyop; RoosterRedux

Although I loathe and despise the exploitation of pre-existing self-pity and self-infliction in the black community and political gain from it by this administration, my understanding of double jeopardy as construed by SCOTUS since 1959, is that one can be tried for the same offense “by separate sovereigns.” States are separate sovereign from each other and from the federal government, so theoretically, the feds could retry this state case in a federal court (if they have valid standing and cause of action). Of course, if Holder tried to do it, Zimmerman could possibly seek a restraining order while applying for certiorari from SCOTUS to reconsider the current law on double jeopardy.


66 posted on 07/21/2013 5:17:59 PM PDT by PapaNew
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67 posted on 07/21/2013 5:21:53 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

That is one disturbing photo. Al looks embalmed.


68 posted on 07/21/2013 5:25:27 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: PapaNew
"...my understanding of double jeopardy as construed by SCOTUS since 1959, is that one can be tried for the same offense “by separate sovereigns.” States are separate sovereign from each other and from the federal government,..."

It seems odd when bearing the jurisdiction of the Constitution in mind, but I'll have a look at the case when time allows. Thanks. Sometimes, we can be desperate and hasty to have a terrible crime prosecuted. Is is also in some of those times, that we hurt our nation's future the most. Sometimes, even the call for states' rights might lead us to tyranny (in re. public corruption).


69 posted on 07/21/2013 5:47:17 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

So 5 people.


70 posted on 07/21/2013 6:32:01 PM PDT by matt04
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To: RoosterRedux

The case was OVER the Saturday before last! In fact, it was OVER when the cops wisely decided to not charge Zimmmerman in Feb 2012!


71 posted on 07/21/2013 6:34:12 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Dallas59

WHY is Osama Obama trying to start a Race War in the US?


72 posted on 07/21/2013 6:37:24 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: toldyou
The pot could caused paranoia...The ‘lean’ could cause aggressive action and paranoia ...but no one is mentioning what his girlfriend said...She told him it could be a gay rapist and should not allow Zim to follow him home because there was a younger boy there....So his head was filled with more reasons to be paranoid....
73 posted on 07/21/2013 6:47:35 PM PDT by hspirit (Just think about it.)
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To: x1stcav

I think they are becoming afraid of some of the same things we have been afraid of for a long time..


74 posted on 07/21/2013 6:53:22 PM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: nickcarraway

“But he wants to say he’s considering, to appease the people who want it”

“But he wants to say he’s considering, to stir up the rabble who want it”

There, fixed it.


75 posted on 07/21/2013 7:25:57 PM PDT by KStorm (Mere geographical location is what makes some people Americans.)
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To: cynwoody

What next? On-line polling on aol/Huffpost? Watch them do that now.

They’ll call it Virtual Lynch Mob.


76 posted on 07/21/2013 8:34:28 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: nickcarraway
I believe Holder has no intention of pursuing federal charges.

Agreed, and he never did.
Holder and Ubama do, however, have to do a dance for the benefit of the ignorant masses that support them. This letter from the ACLU was no doubt requested on the q t by Holder. He's trying to get himself as much cover as possible before he sheepishly admits to the ignorant masses there's nothing more he can do, gee whiz and gosh darn it all. It's all bukkake theater with this crowd.

77 posted on 07/21/2013 8:41:37 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Quickgun

Sh!t! More people drawing down the ammo stocks.

Who would’ve thunk?


78 posted on 07/21/2013 9:21:40 PM PDT by x1stcav ("The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there.")
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To: piytar
"However, in this case, Florida acted at the behest of the President and DoJ, so the first case counts as both a federal and a state prosecution for double jeopardy purposes. The federal government therefore does get another try."

The DOJ was operating in the background to drum up protests - they were not an official party in the criminal proceedings. Therefore, they can still bring a separate, unrelated case based on different FedLaw.

Double Jeopardy can only be claimed for prosecution on the same state murder charges (or the lesser charges presented by prosecution, enumerated by the judge, and considered by the jury).

Zimmerman can still be hounded on Fed or state civil charges (that's how OJ was successfully sued before his kidnapping conviction).

79 posted on 07/22/2013 12:42:50 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: 2harddrive
WHY is Osama Obama trying to start a Race War in the US?

And more importantly, why hasn't anyone asked him that question on record? We know that ABC NBC CBS PBS NPR CNN MCNBC BBC never will. Someone needs to throw it out there just to see their reaction.

80 posted on 07/22/2013 4:56:52 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I wish people would get their heads out of their butts and their noses out of everyones business)
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To: piytar

He can be tried in federal court, but NOT because Fed and state are separate. He can be tried because the “crimes” are different. Murder vs. “hate crime”, however, I think one could argue in federal court that he can’t be convicted of a hate crime without murder being a part of that. The ONLY thing he did to Martin was kill him. Without considering murder, you have no crime. If you have no crime, you can’t prove what his attitude was. Murder can not be considered in federal court because then THAT would be double jeopardy.


81 posted on 07/22/2013 5:59:24 AM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: cynwoody
So, ACLU, does the Double Jeopardy Clause contain an exception for crimes committed by cops on duty?

No, but it's much more logical to charge cops a second time with Federal civil rights violations because they are acting under the color of law. Zimmerman was a private citizen, so there really is no coherent Federal case to be made against him. In this rare case, the ACLU is actually setting aside its collectivist agenda for a moment and telling the truth.

82 posted on 07/22/2013 6:08:18 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: RoosterRedux

In a case that is obviously groundless for additional prosecution, the ACLU is simply getting itself some cheap publicity by standing on the side of the obvious.

If there had been the slightest shred of evidence upon which the federal prosecution could have gone forward, the ACLU would have either kept its mouth shut and it’s finger to the wind, or it would have been cheerleading from the sidelines, all based on their perception of the strength of the case.

They are carrion eaters.


83 posted on 07/22/2013 6:14:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray; x1stcav

Just goes to show the abuses of power and the current police state/Banana Republic stink so much as to turn off even some of the hard-core Leftist base.

Pretty outstanding, IMHO.


84 posted on 07/22/2013 7:02:44 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: cynwoody
People can e-mail Sanford.Florida@usdoj.gov if they have thoughts on how the department should proceed.

Check around while you're up there.


85 posted on 07/22/2013 8:17:44 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: RoosterRedux
Attorney Corporal Holder probably thinks that the ACLU is an organization of cowards.
86 posted on 07/22/2013 8:17:52 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama Had A City It Would Look Like Detroit.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Dream On....Holder and Obama are fascists...they see far too much rascist propaganda value remaining that they can dedicate to the destruction of the US Constitution, to leave the Trayvon Martin case ( its no longer the Zimmerman Case) alone.

Holder and Obama are treasonous usurpers and both should be impeached, and Congress needs to get on with it.


87 posted on 07/22/2013 8:52:18 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: RoosterRedux

Anyone doubt that Holder will use NSA and the IRS and any other agency he can to get Zimmerman and his family members?


88 posted on 07/22/2013 12:08:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: cynwoody
So, ACLU, does the Double Jeopardy Clause contain an exception for crimes committed by cops on duty?

There have been cases where cops who crimes were subjected to sham prosecutions. In such cases, it would seem that federal prosecution might be appropriate but the federal government should first have to demonstrate by a preponderance of the evidence that the first prosecution was a sham that it never subjected the defendant to any "real" jeopardy (e.g. the judge issued a directed verdict because the prosecution failed to show that the crime was committed in the county where the case was being tried); additionally, a jury that ultimately hears the case should likewise be presented with enough information about the original case to allow them to decide whether the prosecution was done in good faith, or was done in bad faith with the intention of avoiding putting the defendant in any real jeopardy.

If cops want to be subject to all of the same protections as everyone else, on the same terms, they should be subject to the same rules as well. Exemptions from rules which would apply to ordinary citizens carry with them extra responsibilities. Cops who are not willing to accept and honor those responsibilities should be instantly subject to the same rules as anyone else.

89 posted on 07/22/2013 4:03:33 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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