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Dem senator (Klobuchar): Federal charges for Zimmerman a 'tough' call for DOJ
The Hill ^ | July 14 2013 | Bernie Becker

Posted on 07/14/2013 8:14:40 AM PDT by maggief

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) said Sunday that the Justice Department had a tough choice in deciding whether to bring federal civil rights charges against George Zimmerman.

A former prosecutor, Klobuchar said that the department would need to wait until their investigation collected all the evidence they could.

“I know that investigation’s going on. As a former prosecutor, I know you wait until you see all the evidence,” Klobuchar said on ABC’s “This Week.”

“They’re going to have to make that decision. It’ll be a tough one.”

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On “This Week,” Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.) called the verdict “devastating.”

“I just am very concerned about what message this sends to the community,” Bass added.

Appearing with the two Democrats, Sen. Orrin Hatch (Utah), a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said he thought the verdict was “accurate.”

“There were plenty of reasonable doubts there,” Hatch said.

Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), meanwhile, said it was clear that Zimmerman should have deferred more to police, and that the fallout from the criminal case would be felt for some time.

“There are moral dimensions beyond the case that obviously we have to come to grips with,” Cole said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Florida; US: Minnesota; US: Oklahoma; US: Utah
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1 posted on 07/14/2013 8:14:40 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

Amy Klobuchar isn’t allowed to use sharp scissors, so that’s an interesting observation.


2 posted on 07/14/2013 8:15:32 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Army dad. And damned proud.)
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To: maggief

Stedman Holder’s gonna step on his foreskin if he pursues this.


3 posted on 07/14/2013 8:16:12 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Piffle....)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

senator klobuchar presents an easy choice to the voters: At the next election, throw her ignorant butt out of the senate.


4 posted on 07/14/2013 8:17:15 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: maggief

You can bet that the Feds won’t proceed in this matter unless they can be assured of a win.


5 posted on 07/14/2013 8:17:54 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: maggief

tough call , LOL , not for the Department Of Jokes


6 posted on 07/14/2013 8:18:18 AM PDT by molson209
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To: maggief

I’m starting to think the RATS are shocked the fix wasn’t in, even after they sent that Chicago plant.

How could they lose this, when absolutely everything else in America is rigged?


7 posted on 07/14/2013 8:18:55 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: maggief

It is not double jeopardy to try him under the fed civil rights laws, but I think GROSSLY unfair that they can come after him a second time and use this loosely written law to try to put this guy in jail. This is not what our country was founded on. You cannot get even just because someone won in court. It is grossly wrong to keep being allowed to time after time after time keep coming up with some crap to try to put this guy in jail. He was tried in a free and open criminal court and found NOT GUILTY. He should not have to face defending himself in trial after trial for the next 10 years.


8 posted on 07/14/2013 8:19:08 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: maggief

“I just am very concerned about what message this sends to the community,”

The message is — don’t be afraid to defend yourself.


9 posted on 07/14/2013 8:19:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: maggief

I think these loons had better think twice..This country is sick of this crap and they will get their ass handed to them on a two by four..


10 posted on 07/14/2013 8:21:33 AM PDT by PLD
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To: ErnBatavia

http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2013/07/12/whats-in-holders-wallet-his-real-race-card/

For much of his life, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. carried around something peculiar. While most people keep cash, family photos, and credit cards in their wallets, Holder revealed to a reporter in 1996 that he keeps with him an old clipping of a quote from Harlem preacher Reverend Samuel D. Proctor. Holder put the clipping in his wallet in 1971, when he was studying history at Columbia University, and kept it in wallet after wallet over the ensuing decades.

What were Proctor’s words that Holder found so compelling?

“Blackness is another issue entirely apart from class in America. No matter how affluent, educated and mobile [a black person] becomes, his race defines him more particularly than anything else. Black people have a common cause that requires attending to, and this cause does not allow for the rigid class separation that is the luxury of American whites. There is a sense in which every black man is as far from liberation as the weakest one if his weakness is attributable to racial injustice.”

When asked to explain the passage, Holder replied, “It really says that … I am not the tall U.S. attorney, I am not the thin United States attorney. I am the black United States attorney. And he was saying that no matter how successful you are, there’s a common cause that bonds the black United States attorney with the black criminal or the black doctor with the black homeless person.”

Has anyone ever asked Holder what exactly is the “common cause” that binds the black attorney general and the black criminal? More important, what should the black attorney general do about this common cause? Should the black criminal feel empathy for the black attorney general, or more likely, do the favors only flow in one direction?

Holder’s explanation of Proctor’s quote offers some key insights into our attorney general’s worldview. First, being “more particular” than anything else, skin color limits and defines Americans — in other words, race comes first for Holder.


11 posted on 07/14/2013 8:21:45 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

another irrelevant hole that needs to be filled with hpie


12 posted on 07/14/2013 8:21:53 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: davisfh

Nope..they have to placate the Black Caucus..but you can bet that the decision to proceed will be announced AFTER the 2014 election..


13 posted on 07/14/2013 8:22:21 AM PDT by ken5050 (Due to all the WH scandals, MSNBC is changing its slogan from "Lean Forward" to "BOHICA")
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To: maggief

This law blog states a private citizen cannot be charged with a civil rights violation, but could be accused of a hate crime:

http://frederickleatherman.com/2012/11/27/zimmerman-the-difference-between-a-hate-crime-and-a-civil-rights-violation/

BTW this guy wants Zimmerman to fry.


14 posted on 07/14/2013 8:22:33 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: maggief
Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), meanwhile, said it was clear that Zimmerman should have deferred more to police

Huh? I guess Tom didn't follow the trial closely.

15 posted on 07/14/2013 8:23:21 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in in a long time I am proud of my country.)
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To: ladyjane

Obviously Cole hasn’t.


16 posted on 07/14/2013 8:25:40 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

The rats have no intention of going after the hispanic Zimmerman.
That wouldn’t help them with the hispanic vote.

And, of course, the rats have no worries about the black vote, so they can continue to tell blacks to just pick up their welfare, food stamps, and Section 8 housing, etc., and go play in the street.


17 posted on 07/14/2013 8:27:15 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: maggief

Black lynch mobs supported by white liberal elites work in our favor... The more people see who democrats really are - the better for us. That said, Zimmerman’s been through enough. For his sake I hope they don’t do this...


18 posted on 07/14/2013 8:29:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Department of Justice organized rallies against George Zimmerman.)
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To: hal ogen

It’s Minnesota and she’s a Democrat=lifetime appointment.


19 posted on 07/14/2013 8:31:21 AM PDT by daler
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To: maggief
The only investigation that Attorney Corporal Holder will do is "what kind of a jury can we get?" A trial in the slums of Detroit with a jury made up of ObamaPhone owners would mean the go ahead from Saint Trayvon's DC "dad".
20 posted on 07/14/2013 8:31:56 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: davisfh
“You can bet that the Feds won’t proceed in this matter unless they can be assured of a win”

Not sure I agree, the Feds are vindictive $#!@!, especially now that they gets a free pass for all their misgivings. If nothing else their mindset is to make GZ life miserable and drain him of as much cash as possible.

21 posted on 07/14/2013 8:32:14 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: maggief
For much of his life, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. carried around something peculiar.

I was listening to the overwrought analysis of Melissa Harris Perry on MSNBC last night. She did finally say something interesting in that her father ever time he would send a card would add to it "Keep up the struggle".

Who puts that in a little girl's birthday card? This form of child abuse explains much.

22 posted on 07/14/2013 8:32:19 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: maggief
What she means by "tough call" is that they haven't figured out how to present different evidence than what presented in the last trial.

Every bit of evidence shows that Trayvon threw the first punch.

23 posted on 07/14/2013 8:36:46 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: maggief

On what possible basis in real law would the DoJ charge him? He didn’t act under the color of law as the L.A. police officers did in the Rodney King case. Which brings to mind the murder of two Federal agents and over 300 Mexican citizens killed with guns from the Fast and Furious operation. That was under the color of law.


24 posted on 07/14/2013 8:37:36 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: RetiredArmy

I agree with you, but the harsh reality is, they most likely will try. You can say what you want about the LA cops, ref Rodney King, but they went through it, and I predict Zimmerman will too, although I hope I am wrong.


25 posted on 07/14/2013 8:38:35 AM PDT by Mark17 (My body is in California, but my heart is in the Philippines.)
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To: maggief
For much of his life, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. carried around something peculiar.

An elephant-sized chip on his shoulder. Yes, we know, everyone can see it.

26 posted on 07/14/2013 8:40:18 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

What she *really* means by tough call is now the FBI probably has the contents of TM’s cell forwarded to them by the fired IT guy. MOM has been insistent about evidence made unavailable to the defense, and has promised to attach any further suits against GZ.


27 posted on 07/14/2013 8:40:41 AM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: maggief

Excuse me, but where was the ‘wait for the evidence to come in’ when the inJustice Department was organizing protests against Zimmerman?

The inJD has essentially disqualified itself in this case.


28 posted on 07/14/2013 8:44:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: maggief

The “common cause” was defined by General Sherman.


29 posted on 07/14/2013 8:45:27 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: maggief

The message sent to the “community” is:

Don’t sucker punch a man in a state that has a “right to carry law”. And just because you’re in a state without a “right to carry law” doesn’t mean your target ain’t packin’.


30 posted on 07/14/2013 8:48:05 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: maggief

Tom Cole was worse than Klobuchar. I was looking to see if she had a grip on his manhood this morning while he was singing the poor little Skittles child song.

The only one all morning who made any sense was Dan Abrams who said the he saw the whole trial and the DOJ can investigate to its heart’s content but in the end it will file no charges because they can’t and won’t win.


31 posted on 07/14/2013 8:52:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: ErnBatavia
Stedman Holder’s gonna step on his foreskin if he pursues this.

I hope he doesn't cut Obama lips by accident...

32 posted on 07/14/2013 8:54:51 AM PDT by Popman
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To: maggief

The quote of course explains much of the venom against Zimmerman.
There is no room in that view for multi ethnic people who hang on to all of their roots.

Holder and those of his ilk not only do not want to all be one people, they will not countenance anyone else going down that road either.


33 posted on 07/14/2013 8:55:05 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: maggief
On “This Week,” Rep. Karen Bass (D-Calif.) called the verdict “devastating.”

“I just am very concerned about what message this sends to the community,” Bass added.


34 posted on 07/14/2013 8:55:48 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: RetiredArmy

You’re right, of course.

If they do file “civil rights” charges, think a minute about what that means: it means that the feds (I won’t capitalize anything related to the federal government) can cherry-pick who they want to press charges against, and under what circumstances. Equality before the law is out the window. If they do this, you then have to ask why don’t they do this with EVERY murder/killing? Why not on every mugging? Civil rights are paramount, right?

If this happens, the counter-revolution needs to start as quickly as possible...


35 posted on 07/14/2013 8:57:38 AM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Have you read the replies to this blog? They state flat out lies as facts. For instance, one says Zimmerman never indentified himself as being with the Neighborhood Watch during the 911 call and this was because he wanted to go kill somebody. He did mention it. He even stated the cop’s name who had spoken at the NW meeting.

Liberal media makes up the facts and liberal voters believe them. I really believe they get up every morning and think “What am I going to be told today and how often can I repeat it?”


36 posted on 07/14/2013 8:58:07 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: maggief
Bass: “I just am very concerned about what message this sends to the community.”

KevinB: “I just am very encouraged about what message this sends to the community.”

37 posted on 07/14/2013 8:59:03 AM PDT by KevinB (A country that would elect Barack Obama president twice is no longer worth fighting for.)
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To: davisfh

Exactly right. They have to make sure the old fixaroo is in before they proceed.

If they go forward, and fail to get a conviction, this would put egg directly on Obama’a face, and that is a no-no.


38 posted on 07/14/2013 9:06:04 AM PDT by TheGipperWasRight
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To: maggief

Of all the cases out there, don’t these people have anything better to do than conduct a Soviet show trial?


39 posted on 07/14/2013 9:09:20 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: maggief

None of this would have occurred if our race baiting President had kept his mouth shut.


40 posted on 07/14/2013 9:13:28 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: maggief

The decision whether to prosecute will be based solely on politics, not the law. The left has successfully bent the law to mean whatever it wants, finding gay rights and abortion in the Constitution, but no right to free speech or to keep and bear arms. The rule of law has been replaced with the Orwellian concept of Doublethink. Don’t believe what your brain or your eyes tell you-it’s all about feelings.


41 posted on 07/14/2013 9:32:27 AM PDT by Spok
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To: maggief

Tom Cole is a totally reliable GOPe vote. He’s weak. Sure. Zimmerman should have deferred more to the police. That’s a real easy thing to say, Representative Cole, when you’re not the one being attacked. I guess you think Zimmerman should have headed back to his truck when the 911 operator told him to. Oh. Wait. He DID do that according to the call.


42 posted on 07/14/2013 9:33:46 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: hattend

Klobuchar, I have some news for you this was WITHHOLDER and THE FOREIGNERS federal case. It would never have been pushed if not for these two RACE HATERS. Despite what the LEFTIST FRAUDS living in the I AM A VICTIM HOTEL say, this case came out exactly as the evidence suggested it should have. NOT GUILTY. Zimmerman should now pursue legal action against those that falsely accused him. NBC, THE FOREIGNER, SHARPTON, JACKSON, and so on down the line.


43 posted on 07/14/2013 9:38:00 AM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: VerySadAmerican
Don’t sucker punch a man in a state that has a “right to carry law”.

Trayvon could have sucker-punched Zimmerman without much risk if he'd run away immediately afterward, since self-defense statutes would not allow someone in that situation to shoot the fleeing assailant (a defendant might argue that the impact to his brain caused a momentary loss of judgment similar to that of a "crime of passion"; I think the statutes are grossly defective in not allowing a jury a clear spectrum of culpability they could assign, ranging from slight culpability (the defendant should have used better judgment even in those circumstances, but does not pose a threat to the community) and a 20-year prison term (the defendant had no evil state of mind, but had no particular justification for shooting the decedent).

Personally, I think the world would be a better place if people who sucker punched other people had a slight but significant chance of getting shot. Some otherwise good people who get particularly agitated may sucker punch someone unjustifiably, and it's probably best if most such people don't get shot as a consequence, but sucker-punching should be risky enough as to discourage rational people from doing so.

44 posted on 07/14/2013 10:06:58 AM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

I was just trying to cherry pick what I could regarding civil rights charges. Not even sure if that’s correct! I knew the guy was off base on the case itself.


45 posted on 07/14/2013 10:34:18 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: maggief

It is so easy and blissful to be a Leftist: If you have no conscience. And if you do not care about going to hell.


46 posted on 07/14/2013 10:48:33 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: ken5050
"Nope..they have to placate the Black Caucus..but you can bet that the decision to proceed will be announced AFTER the 2014 election.."

I'm guessing Maxine Waters will find fault with "Not Guilty verdict.

Oh, yes, she has cache with the press to opine with the masses any time she wants.

With the media at her disposal she will opine and it will be RACIST.

47 posted on 07/14/2013 11:10:42 AM PDT by hummingbird (THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS by Mark Levin. He has a great plan.)
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To: DAC21
"Not sure I agree, the Feds are vindictive $#!@!, especially now that they gets a free pass for all their misgivings."

This trial took the scrutiny off of "IRS" and other executive scandals.

If they can, the feds and the czars will milk this cow for all its worth - no wonder civil suits are in the hopper.

Anything they (feds/czars) do and say will be to take press off of executive misdeeds and hammer GZ down.

And, don't even mention Jackson/Sharpton and they're ilk. ($$$$/"front page" visibility).

48 posted on 07/14/2013 11:31:43 AM PDT by hummingbird (THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS by Mark Levin. He has a great plan.)
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To: maggief
“I just am very concerned about what message this sends to the community,” Bass added.

I, for one, am sick and tired of "the community."

49 posted on 07/14/2013 11:41:19 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: supercat
"Personally, I think the world would be a better place if people who sucker punched other people had a slight but significant chance of getting shot."

There should be a law outlawing "sucker punches".

Oh, wait, I know...isn't a "sucker punch" assault or something like that? There ARE laws against "sucker punches"./sarc

Good post, supercat!

50 posted on 07/14/2013 3:31:42 PM PDT by hummingbird (THE LIBERTY AMENDMENTS by Mark Levin. He has a great plan!)
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