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Zimmerman Judge Ran Kangaroo Court
Investor's Business Daily ^ | July 12, 2013 | The Editors

Posted on 07/12/2013 9:26:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Injustice: There are biased judges, and then there's Debra Nelson, who's presided over what can only be called a kangaroo court in the George Zimmerman trial.

The bias of Nelson, Florida Circuit Court judge and a lifelong Democrat, in favor of the prosecution and its efforts to railroad Zimmerman as a racist murderer has been palpable throughout the case. Her actions, which have actively aided the state, could poison jurors and factor into future litigation.

Her shameful rulings and behavior, therefore, are worth cataloging, and include:

• Suppressing exculpatory evidence recovered from the (double-password-protected) cell-phone of Trayvon Martin that reveal deleted texts of the 17-year-old bragging about street-fighting with friends and relatives and photos showing him brandishing guns, gangsta-style. This evidence supports Zimmerman's claim he feared Martin and shot in self-defense.

• Disallowing Martin's criminal background, including arrests by Miami-Dade school district police for drugs, theft, graffiti and other delinquent behavior. (Martin, in fact, had been suspended from school the week he jumped Zimmerman inside his gated townhouse complex, after police found stolen jewelry and burglary tools inside his backpack.)

• Excluding any testimony from audio experts who could definitively ID Zimmerman's voice screaming for help on 911 calls as Martin bashed his head against a concrete sidewalk.

• Allowing, conversely, the last-minute request of plainly desperate prosecutors to have jurors consider an alternative lesser charge of manslaughter to try to secure some kind of conviction, any kind of punishment, in the complete absence of a sound murder case.

• Never sanctioning the prosecution despite Zimmerman's lawyers justifiably filing no fewer than six formal complaints against the state for withholding exculpatory and other evidence from them in violation of discovery rules.

• Yet repeatedly overruling — at times even reprimanding — Zimmerman's lawyers when they objected to the underhanded tactics....

(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; debranelson; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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Any lawyers here? Won't this make it much easier to win an appeal should he be convicted?
1 posted on 07/12/2013 9:26:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The DemocRATS from Barry on down want some kind of “guilty” verdict. They’ll take anything as long as they find Zimmerman “guilty” of SOMETHING.


2 posted on 07/12/2013 9:31:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (If America is a nation of immigrants, where's my free stuff?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would think that there would be sufficient grounds for a conviction to overturned. My fear for Zimmerman is that if he is convicted for manslaughter, Nelson will immediately have him remanded to custody while awaiting sentencing. She will ignore the findings of the probation department and give him 30 years. Then while he is waiting on his appeal, he will be assassinated in prison.


3 posted on 07/12/2013 9:32:28 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been convinced this beyotch just wanted to boot the case into the appeals court as quickly as possible after realizing how bad the prosecution’s case was.


4 posted on 07/12/2013 9:33:02 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Enterprise

Exactly what they are hoping for my FRiend.

Crazy Ass Cracker got what was coming to him will be the mantra and King Obama will smile.


5 posted on 07/12/2013 9:36:08 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (They can follow the Communist, I'll follow the Constitution...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Debra Nifong ( oops) Nelson should be impeached, disbarred and thrown into the slammer for this fraudulent abuse of her position.
6 posted on 07/12/2013 9:37:44 PM PDT by immadashell
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To: Enterprise
Then while he is waiting on his appeal, he will be assassinated in prison.

If such a thing happened and I were GZ's father I might be very strongly tempted to arrange for the judge to, ummm, kind of disappear completely in about six months or so and never be found.

7 posted on 07/12/2013 9:40:16 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She should be disbarred and sued into poverty by Zimmerman. It’s like the judge was another prosecutor as bad as mike Nifong (Duke Lacross case).


8 posted on 07/12/2013 9:41:49 PM PDT by Bullish (Psalm 46)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what a loser bitch...


9 posted on 07/12/2013 9:43:48 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: bigbob
...this beyotch just wanted to boot the case into the appeals court...

I can't help but wonder the same thing.

I tried to find something about such a tactic-- judges deliberately poisoning their trials to ensure the verdict is reversed on appeal. I could not find anything, but perhaps somebody here could provide insight.

But here's a thought: doesn't it cut both ways? Can't the prosecution appeal the verdict if the trial is shown to be flawed? It's double jeopardy, but there have been instances where people were convicted during a second trial.

10 posted on 07/12/2013 9:45:40 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: Kickass Conservative

This is racism...Obammy doesn’t watch TV and doesn’t know anything about Baby Trayvon....his spokesman says so.../s


11 posted on 07/12/2013 9:45:45 PM PDT by Dallas59 (Q: The worst president in US history?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh please..

This was not a kangaroo court unless your only point of reference is the lawyer shows on TV...

Folks here have a point of view that I personally agree with but I know the judicial system well enough to call BS on all the claims of bias from both sides..


12 posted on 07/12/2013 9:46:38 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: viaveritasvita

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13 posted on 07/12/2013 9:47:31 PM PDT by viaveritasvita (The Grace of God has appeared, bringing Salvation to all men. Titus 2:11)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just say no to jury duty. Tell them you don’t trust lawyers, the judge, or the system under our current DOJ.


14 posted on 07/12/2013 9:53:55 PM PDT by virgin (Don't screw with me.)
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To: tsomer
judges deliberately poisoning their trials to ensure the verdict is reversed on appeal. I could not find anything, but perhaps somebody here could provide insight.

The same cowardice shown by Pres Bush and the GOP House, in passing bills that they felt were unConstitutional, expecting SCOTUS to strike it down, then deflecting blame when they did not. Pathetic, cowardly, and utterly useless.

15 posted on 07/12/2013 9:55:48 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Kangaroo court,

That’s our justice system, wake up!


16 posted on 07/12/2013 9:59:22 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I remember two jackasses and a gorilla. But no kangaroos.


17 posted on 07/12/2013 10:01:49 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think BLDR best hope is:

2nd degree - not guilty

manslaughter - can't reach verdict!

What if:

2nd degree - not guilty

manslaughter - not guilty!

I guess they'll be finger pointing why it even went to trial...

18 posted on 07/12/2013 10:42:00 PM PDT by hamboy
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To: tsomer

Prosecutor can only retry for a hung jury, dismissal without prejudice before a verdict (usually admin stuff) or if they didn’t charge for something and decide to later - so say they don’t charge for a theft because they are still investigating but do try the murder which the evidence is already processed for. (though they are supposed to charge at the same time if the information is available). Or that’s my understanding.


19 posted on 07/12/2013 10:47:58 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: montanajoe

So you don’t think the judge was biased. Is that your view?


20 posted on 07/12/2013 10:52:20 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: virgin

That’s not the way to get out of jury duty. The problem is not being the first batch called to the jury box for the jury selection process and having to sit and wait your turn. Once in the box it is a piece of cake getting excused.


21 posted on 07/12/2013 10:54:45 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I don’t think the judge was biased.

She didn’t strike me as different from any other judge handling criminal cases who has been at it for awhile.

The Criminal docket is relatively fast and the case law is more or less settled she has heard and seen everything and her only concern it not being overturned..I’d refer you to the jury instruction where both sides had included a comma in the instruction and both sides missed the fact the FL SC had overturned a case because of that single comma...

Judges with her time on the bench simply don’t care how they may or may not be perceived.


22 posted on 07/12/2013 11:07:15 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe

Judges are appointed by corrupt officials, or voted in by low information voters. And yet they’re perfect you say?


23 posted on 07/12/2013 11:20:52 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: montanajoe
Folks here have a point of view that I personally agree with but I know the judicial system well enough to call BS on all the claims of bias from both sides.

I beg to differ.

I've watched enough of the judicial system over my 48 years, including several very high profile trials, to conclude that the attempt to convict GZ of any crimes such as murder and manslaughter in this case represent an absolute miscarriage of Justice.

The judicial bias in this case is so profound and transparent that, if GZ is convicted, it will become a textbook example of political bias for decades to come. Ample grounds for appeal exist. This judge should be impeached, and in the absence of that event, Floridians should vote not to retain her the next chance they get.

24 posted on 07/12/2013 11:20:55 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: sargon

Hang around in courts day to day..she is not different.

She may not be retained but she will not be overruled on anything in the Florida Appellate system..


25 posted on 07/12/2013 11:26:01 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
I don’t think the judge was biased.
She didn’t strike me as different from any other judge...


Good to know that you think malfeasance is OK as long as it has precedence.
26 posted on 07/12/2013 11:28:56 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: 867V309
I don't think anything,,I know from experience that she is not any different.

There is a reason lawyers are so unpopular. Half the folks lose and half of the ones that win have good lawyers that sit them down and explain the judicial facts of life and they go away as unhappy winners.

That is the way it is..

27 posted on 07/12/2013 11:36:39 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
I don't think anything.

Agreed.
28 posted on 07/12/2013 11:42:17 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great list, very helpful.


29 posted on 07/12/2013 11:52:32 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: tsomer
But here's a thought: doesn't it cut both ways? Can't the prosecution appeal the verdict if the trial is shown to be flawed?

Nope. If the jury walks the defendant, it's over. And that's as it should be, OJ notwithstanding.

It's double jeopardy, but there have been instances where people were convicted during a second trial.

That's the federal-state exception, where, supposedly, the federal government, being a separate sovereign, gets a separate go at the defendant. It's unjust and a misreading of the Constitution. However, in recent times, it's been limited to cases where the defendant was acting as an official agent of the inferior jurisdiction (e.g., a Los Angles pig turned loose by a local jury, despite having unjustly beaten the sh¡t out of an arrestee).

If George walks, I recommend he fly to Peru. That way, if Holder gets ideas, Peru will get to humiliate the United States of America. Which will be a Good Thing.

30 posted on 07/12/2013 11:53:54 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
• Allowing, conversely, the last-minute request of plainly desperate prosecutors to have jurors consider an alternative lesser charge of manslaughter to try to secure some kind of conviction, any kind of punishment, in the complete absence of a sound murder case.

I hate to burst his bubble, but the inclusion of the lesser count is in FL law. However, if self-defense is invoked on the higher count and he is acquited, it must also be applied to the lower count of manslaughter. You can't have it both ways.

31 posted on 07/13/2013 1:24:20 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not a lawyer but I manage America’s largest Urban Poverty Law Center.

Judge Nelson needs to confer with Hillary Clinton’s Plastic Surgeon or wear a bag or become a muslim.

And I hear her father and mother were quite nice looking.


32 posted on 07/13/2013 2:03:27 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

2ndD .. we finally have her party? (if this is true, then why the heck did Jeb get her in her position?!?)...
As moderate as Dubya is, I don’t think he would have been that ‘stoopid’ :p


33 posted on 07/13/2013 3:15:40 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The saddest part of this whole article is where it came from. Not that I expect different anymore.


34 posted on 07/13/2013 3:39:06 AM PDT by pas
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why doesn’t someone file a complaint against her with the Florida Judicial Commission?

See http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_info/jqc.shtml


35 posted on 07/13/2013 4:55:55 AM PDT by Captain Jack Aubrey (There's not a moment to lose.)
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To: cynwoody

That is what he should have done right away after the incident. A blind man could see where this was going. He made the mistake of trusting the legal system.


36 posted on 07/13/2013 5:00:39 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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He made the mistake of trusting the legal system

Making a mistake implies he had choices and took the wrong decision. I don't see where he had any choice but due process, that is to say he had no choice.

37 posted on 07/13/2013 5:09:29 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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To: Born to Conserve

Judges are appointed by corrupt officials

.... ahhhh would that be the @sshat Jeb Bush from our favorite “Republican” clan from Kennebunk’em? Nice appointment Jebbie!

ymmv


38 posted on 07/13/2013 5:11:54 AM PDT by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have a friend who was initially convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. After 6 years in prison, his conviction was finally overturned by the State Supreme court because the judge had prevented his defense lawyers from submitting damning information (exculpatory evidence?) about the victim.......

He was given a new trial and ultimately sentenced to 8 years with 6 years of it being already served.

39 posted on 07/13/2013 5:21:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (I ain't no cracker, I'm a white a$$ soda biscuit...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Money quote: “Nelson has higher ambitions, having twice applied for open seats on Florida’s supreme court. Let’s hope for the sake of impartial justice the governor continues to pass her over. She really has no business sitting on any bench.”

For you attorneys out there: Can a sitting judge be removed for cause?


40 posted on 07/13/2013 6:12:44 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: hamboy

Grievance Industry will blame white prosecutors, most likely.


41 posted on 07/13/2013 6:14:30 AM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: 867V309
Good to know that you think malfeasance is OK as long as it has precedence.

LOL!!

42 posted on 07/13/2013 8:22:22 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (0bama lied, Stevens died, now 0bama covers up the lies.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I have a friend who was initially convicted of murder and sentenced to life

You need better friends

43 posted on 07/13/2013 8:26:21 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (0bama lied, Stevens died, now 0bama covers up the lies.)
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To: montanajoe

“She may not be retained but she will not be overruled on anything in the Florida Appellate system..”

You do know she’s already been overturned by an appeals courts in this case, right?


44 posted on 07/13/2013 8:35:44 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: tsomer

“Can’t the prosecution appeal the verdict if the trial is shown to be flawed?”
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Once a jury finds you NOT guilty there is no appeal for the prosecution. Think of the O.J. trial, if he was not proven guilty no one has EVER been proven guilty in the history of the world but a jury said he was not guilty so that was the end of the criminal proceeding. The fact that it was a bad jury verdict is so obvious that a civil trial resulted in a verdict against O.J., people said that it was because the standard of proof is lower in a civil trial but in reality it was because the verdict of not guilty in the criminal trial was simply absurd, as absurd as a verdict of guilty would be in the trial of George Zimmerman.


45 posted on 07/13/2013 9:57:05 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Any lawyers here? Won't this make it much easier to win an appeal should he be convicted?

The strategy of the New American Fascist Police State is to drain the defendant/victim's resources till they're easy meat.

Every mistrial is to their advantage, because the rest of the peasants are picking up the tab for the blank checks written by the persecutors.

46 posted on 07/13/2013 11:10:16 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: SoCal Pubbie

You do understand the distinction between an interlocutory appeal and an appeal of the case in chief right?


47 posted on 07/13/2013 11:19:58 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: montanajoe
You do understand the distinction between an interlocutory appeal and an appeal of the case in chief right?

I can't speak for SoCal Pubbie but I have nary a clue. What is the difference and what has happened in that regard in the Zimmerman trial?


48 posted on 07/13/2013 12:06:31 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Fifth circuit routinely overturns Nelson. Her reputation precedes her. This case is rife with reversable error.


49 posted on 07/13/2013 12:35:41 PM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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To: gitmo

The Defense wanted to depose the Martin family attorney. The judge ruled for the State and refused to allow it, the Defense took an interlocutory appeal and the Appeals court allowed it.

Interlocutory appeals are taken before the case has been decided, they usually involve discretionary matter such as this.

Many here assume bias as it is commonly understood is the same thing as judicial bias. It is not.

What appears to be bias to the average person in this case does not rise anywhere close to the standard of judicial bias that could be grounds for an appeal.


50 posted on 07/13/2013 12:38:02 PM PDT by montanajoe
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