Posted on 07/07/2013 5:20:04 PM PDT by Morgana
Sometimes I wonder if these women who are so strident for abortion regret their own children and wish they had had an abortion, maybe to reach their career goals sooner. I wonder how their children feel. Sad.
I see both sides.
I don’t know the answer.
It’s simple. Every officer of government in this country, at every level, is required to swear an oath to God to support the Constitution. The Constitution absolutely requires equal protection. Are you for breaking our oaths made to God, or not?
Of course that is what is right, what should be, and what I want.
We are now 180 degrees from that.
There are two methods being posited on this thread:
1. Get there all at once, right now, nothing less, no gradualism.
2. Get there by steps.
They are both for the same thing. The first one would require miracles, earth changes, mass deaths (of the bad guys), etc. The second one might work.
Also is the “hearts and minds” thing - the right to life movement (not talking about any particular organization or any organization at all necessarily) involves individuals, together and separately, working on other individuals - at colleges, abortuaries, churches, pregnancy centers, and other places - telling people the truth, giving information, offering support, assistance, prayer - to me, that is turning the tide.
And to me, any legislation limiting the killing of the unborn is going in the right direction. EV - by your criteria, any law that is not 100% stopping all abortion right now, is bad:
1. Any law demanding parents be notified if their underage daughter wants an abortion is bad because the parents can then authorize it.
2. Any law making it a crime for someone to transport an underage girl across a state line is bad because the girl can still get an abortion in state.
3. Any law criminalizing an abortion after a certain number of weeks, or late term abortion, is bad because it still allows earlier abortions.
And so on. So from what I understand, any law somehow restricting yet not a total ban, on abortions, is a bad law. I can’t agree with that. Although I would much prefer that to happen.
If you do not have the power to ban abortions, chipping away at the current free-for-all by banning late term abortions, is better than nothing. It is based on the neurological development stage of the child.
The unborn was stripped of it’s right to live when the court legalized abortion. This legislation moves towards protecting some of the unborn which is better than nothing and might get through the courts. Perry would protect every unborn child if he could, but he can not. Neither can you.
Since we do not have the power to ban abortion, we should create a dangerous mine field of regulation for the butchers to dance through. We should regulate them to death. Think about the strategy of the anti-gunners where they attempt to make the gun owner in constant danger of being a felon. They do this so people will become afraid to mess with self defense and gun possession. Abortionists should be in constant fear that he’s killing a protected baby and it’s likely authorities will discover the murder.
They are going to go for the right to murder the handicapped and elderly (useless eaters). The deathers have no ethical limits on their appetite for human sacrifice and nurturing child sexual perversion. As Nancy Pelosi said, her right to murder the innocent is sacred. This restriction in Texas, on her religion’s sacred ritual of human sacrifice, will make her irate. That should make you happy. Some of the babies will be off limits or extremely risky to murder for Nan and her pals.
The flaw in your reasoning is that it won’t work. We have forty years of hindsight to tell us that.
By the way, I note that you’re now making Utilitarian arguments, not Christian, or moral, or constitutional ones. I hope you won’t get too offended when I say that this is rather unseemly for someone tending the sort of list you tend.
In any case, you don’t win by disarming, throwing away your ammo, stripping buck naked, and surrendering.
Which is what these bills continue to do, from the get-go.
They sacrifice every principle that argues against abortion, burning them up on the altar of a lie, the lie that by compromising the laws of nature and nature’s God, and the moral natural law principles of the Declaration, and every stated purpose of the Constitution, and that Constitution’s explicit, imperative requirements, you’re going to somehow “win,” somewhere over the rainbow. It’s a mirage.
Simply do what is right, keep the oath of office, support the Constitution, provide equal protection for the right to life of every person, and leave the results to God. He is able to make you prevail. But I fail to see how He can be expected to do that if you’ve sacrificed the truth, and right, and justice, all for some already-proven-to-be failed immoral, unconstitutional “strategy.”
If you do not have the power to ban abortions, chipping away at the current free-for-all by banning late term abortions, is better than nothing. It is based on the neurological development stage of the child.
The unborn was stripped of it’s right to live when the court legalized abortion. This legislation moves towards protecting some of the unborn which is better than nothing and might get through the courts. Perry would protect every unborn child if he could, but he can not. Neither can you.
Since we do not have the power to ban abortion, we should create a dangerous mine field of regulation for the butchers to dance through. We should regulate them to death. Think about the strategy of the anti-gunners where they attempt to make the gun owner in constant danger of being a felon. They do this so people will become afraid to mess with self defense and gun possession. Abortionists should be in constant fear that he’s killing a protected baby and it’s likely authorities will discover the murder.
They are going to go for the right to murder the handicapped and elderly (useless eaters). The deathers have no ethical limits on their appetite for human sacrifice and nurturing child sexual perversion. As Nancy Pelosi said, her right to murder the innocent is sacred. This restriction in Texas, on her religion’s sacred ritual of human sacrifice, will make her irate. That should make you happy. Some of the babies will be off limits or extremely risky to murder for Nan and her pals.
We should set up abortion regulatory watch dogs in the Texas government that inspect abortionist practices and require reporting on who they are killing.
Can you point me to any scriptural or constitutional principle which argues for such an unreasonable, arbitrary, and capricious basis? My copy of the Constitution sets the standard of personhood, not location, not age or stage of development, not the ability to "feel pain." "No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." "No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Is the child in the womb a person, made in God's image and likeness, or not?
That's really the only thing you have to answer, if you care about obeying God and supporting and defending the Constitution.
But Texas legislators do have the power to ban abortions. They have a super-majority, and the governorship, and every statewide office. They are completely in control of the Lone Star State's government.
Simply strike out Texas Penal Code, Title 5, Chapter 19, Sec. 19.06., which they put there a decade ago. Then send the Texas Rangers to shut down the death clinics. All of them.
The bill in question lays the groundwork for that, by creating classes of sub-humans who are not deemed fit to receive the equal protection that the supreme law of our land absolutely requires.
There is not a lick of moral difference between what you fear and what the current bill allows.
Support for this bill would be identical to supporting a "law" that grants permission to kill those of whom you speak.
But our supreme law, a law premised in the laws of nature and nature's God, absolutely forbids the killing of innocents, and requires equal protection for EVERY PERSON.
I don’t know what to say with you.
Of course all abortion should stop today. It is evil murder of the helpless.
How to stop it?
Demanding that laws be passed today stopping all abortion won’t work.
BTW I am not a Christian although I do accept Jesus’ words as perfect. So telling me I my words aren’t Christian doesn’t advance understanding. Many people who aren’t Christian are pro-life.
When people were trying to stop slavery, IIRC they did incremental methods that had some good effect. Of course we know what finally happened.
I agree with you in principle but the method of how to get from “here” to “there” is unclear.
Civil war?
Why? If you have the governmental power to regulate the practice of tearing little boys and girls to pieces and murdering them, you have the power to stop it.
Frankly, I don't believe that Rick Perry and the Texas Republicans would stop abortion even if you gave them 100% of the seats.
It's really simple. Demand that our representatives in government keep their oaths to provide equal protection for the supreme unalienable right, the right to live.
Why? If you have the governmental power to regulate the practice of tearing little boys and girls to pieces and murdering them, you have the power to stop it.
At this point, we have a rogue government. Maybe we need to pay attention to Egypt.
In this case, the “rogue” government consists of “pro-life” “Republicans” who refuse to keep the first and most important part of their oath.
Their codification of permission to kill innocent persons is spreading through our laws throughout the land like kudzu.
Representative Tom Shaw:
“NRTL Doesn’t Need “One More” Justice: They need five. To get a pro-life majority on the U.S. Supreme Court we need, not one, but five more Justices. More than thirty years of NRTL’s influence leaves America without a single pro-life Justice, suggesting a timeframe of centuries before NRTL’s strategy might succeed, if ever. When NRTL opposes Personhood efforts saying that, “This is not the right time,” because of the make-up of the court, they are effectively admitting their 30 years of failure. After NRTL’s decades of “leadership,” Notre Dame Law School’s professor emeritus Charles Rice wrote, “Every justice now on the court accepts the Roe holding that the unborn child is a non-person... The situation remains as described by Justice John Paul Stevens in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.” For Stevens had written that “the Court... rejected, the argument ‘that the fetus is a “person”’. ... there was no dissent...” And Clarence Thomas wrote in his Stenberg dissent that “a State may permit abortion,” and Antonin Scalia wrote in Casey, “The states may, if they wish, permit abortion-on-demand...”
http://prolifeprofiles.com/national-right-to-life
Gov Perry will not seek re-election
Because he intends to run for POTUS in 2016, apparently.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3040381/posts?page=11#11
Which explains the grandstanding for NRTL.
We have excellent turnout today. I’m taking a break and will be back later.
Still time for folks if they want to turn out and make a difference!
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