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1 posted on 07/07/2013 8:18:35 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

“An armed society is a polite society.” Lazarus Long as recorded by Robert Heinlein.


2 posted on 07/07/2013 8:22:09 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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I am not convinced that deaths were reported as accurately in rural areas as they would be in the cities. I once asked a man who was in his 90’s, and who spent most of his life in West Virginia what was the greatest change he noticed in all his time. He told me that when he was growing up, that if they found a dead body, or if some stranger died, they would just burry the person, and no one would pay any attention, much less report it or investigate.


3 posted on 07/07/2013 8:31:10 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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You can amass all the statistics you want, and scrupulously analyze them with the most rigorous of statistical methods, but the facts will not overcome the perceptions that Hollywood have created in the Western movie genre.

Few people are interested in historical accuracy. Semi-historical mythology is far more entertaining.


5 posted on 07/07/2013 9:12:53 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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In all fairness, I would stretch the time from of the Old West from 1803, with the Louisiana Purchase, to 1890, with the last vestiges ending 20 years later in 1910.

An awful lot of things happened in this about 100 years. To limit “The Old West” to settlements, towns and cities does it a grave injustice. There were spats between European powers and Americans, between Mexicans and Americans, between Indian tribes and other Indian tribes and Americans.

Sometimes the US Army was there, other times not, and a few times the US and Confederate armies had some brawls as well.

The California coast had both criminal gangs and vigilantes.

Where there were towns, they generally had a “good side of town”, and a “bad side of town”. When there was violence, as today, it is mostly with poor people and transients.

However, one of the biggest motivating factors for settlers was to have “civility” as soon as possible. They wanted law and order, morality, as in no prostitutes, limited liquor and gambling, and real money earned with business.

Other disputes could get ugly, such as fights over ranch land in Texas (the founding of the XIT (ten counties in Texas) and King Ranches were quite brutal), the Pleasant Valley War in Arizona got anywhere from 20-34 people killed, wiping out both families; as well as other disputes, gangs of badmen, renegade Indian bands, etc.

A lot can happen in a hundred years.


6 posted on 07/07/2013 9:30:20 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Guns are irrelevant in the modern cities listed. The true causative factors are low intelligence and poor self control, factors known for centuries-see Carlyle in the 1840’s and 1850’s.


7 posted on 07/07/2013 9:39:30 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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One interesting feature was the fact that Western towns quite early enacted and enforced ordinances forbidding the carrying of fire arms. Due to a homogenous population having the same values it worked. Today, those in power are “diverse” as is the population; thus unable, too stupid, and unwilling to govern. To put it another way government is breaking down. Breaking down is a process and it will take time until a total collapse of law and order ensues. Look for example at the corrupt “diverse” Ninth circuit in California who is forcing the state to release about 10,000 felons. A “diverse” judge in the Ninth Circuit ordered the release of a large group of prisoners who have already killed people. The “diverse” left invariably favors the criminal element-especially if they to are “diverse.” People will have to fend for themselves as the government(the Courts) are against the law abiding. There is a rise in the desire to carry guns which is evidence of increasing lawlessness. While I am generally against the carrying of fire arms we may have to once again as we did in the 19th centuries “Wild West.”


8 posted on 07/07/2013 9:53:47 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Red in Blue PA; Bob Ireland

Sounds like intriguing reading. I bookmarked it. Thank you for posting this article again.


12 posted on 07/07/2013 2:20:57 PM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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Good Knowledge to support a pro-second amendment position!
13 posted on 07/08/2013 9:17:24 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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