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Clueless about Cairo coup
Jewish World Review ^ | 7/5/2013 | Carolyne B. Glick

Posted on 07/06/2013 7:13:24 AM PDT by Former Fetus

Wednesday Egypt had its second revolution in so many years. And there is no telling how many more revolutions it will have in the coming months, or years. This is the case not only in Egypt, but throughout the Islamic world.

The American foreign policy establishment's rush to romanticize as the Arab Spring the political instability that engulfed the Arab world following the self-immolation of a Tunisian peddler in December 2010 was perhaps the greatest demonstration ever given of their utter cluelessness about the nature of Arab politics and society. Their enthusiastic embrace of protesters who have now brought down President Muhammad Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood regime indicates that it takes more than a complete repudiation of their core assumptions to convince them to abandon them.

US reporters and commentators today portray this week's protests as the restoration of the Egyptian revolution. That revolution, they remain convinced, was poised to replace long-time Egyptian leader and US-ally Hosni Mubarak with a liberal democratic government led by people who used Facebook and Twitter.

Subsequently, we were told, that revolution was hijacked by the Muslim Brotherhood. But now that Morsi and his government have been overthrown, the Facebook revolution is back on track.

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TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: coup; egypt; egyptcoup; eqyptmb; israel; morsi; mubarak; muslimbrotherhood; russia; waronterror
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1 posted on 07/06/2013 7:13:24 AM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

Bulgaria is reported to have something similar in the works, but since our news folks, as smart as they are, might only remember the mention of Bulgaria in a long-ago James Bond movie, it doesn’t interest them, for now.


2 posted on 07/06/2013 7:20:48 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Former Fetus
Put a fence around Egypt and all of North Africa...
....Throw in Syria for good measure....

Let them have it out (with their own resources)...
...And when it's all over...

If anyone wants to be a friend of the USA --
Let them say so in the hearing of the whole world...
...and be faithful friends

3 posted on 07/06/2013 7:22:07 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Former Fetus

Ms. Glick is rather naïve. She imagines that the current administration are ‘nice’ liberals who are merely clueless about Egypt and are hoping for a populist democratic government.

In my opinion, the current administration knows very well who the players are in Egypt and is backing the Islamists. They’re not accidentally destabilizing Egypt and accidentally letting fanatics in; they *want* the fanatics. They’re trying to surround Israel with crazies in Egypt and Syria.

The bright spot is that Ms. Glick is also right that Egypt is unstable. I don’t think any government there will gather enough support to cause any trouble except to Egyptians.


4 posted on 07/06/2013 7:30:29 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: Former Fetus
It was stated best on Fox this morning - The 0bama regime's exuberantly incompetent foreign policy has managed to piss off all parties in the dispute.
5 posted on 07/06/2013 7:37:14 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Endowed by my Creator with certain unalienable rights!)
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To: Former Fetus

Pro Western?

You know what folks, Hosni Mubarak wasn’t perfect. I’m sure the guy probably did a lot of things I wouldn’t like. The fact of the matter is, there is only so much a leader of places like Egypt can do.

They can’t rule like our governments do in the West. They must keep a tight reign on their people, or they lose power. In the traditional sense, that sound’s very self-service for them. And yes it is. And if that’s all we want to focus on, then perhaps we could celebrate the fall of a man like Mubarak. Then what?

You see, this goes beyond the benefits to Mubarak. It goes to the central question, is stability in and of itself a service to a nation like Egypt? Is plight of the Egyptian man on the street going to be better if there is a coup, a mini or maxi revolution every few years? I seriously doubt it.

Mubarak was pro-Western. He brought stability to Egypt. He didn’t appear to be extremely oppressive, other than to try to hold the place together. I’m not sure what more we can hope for in places like Egypt.

By signaling that the U. S. was sympathetic to those who wanted to overthrow Mubarak, we may have help enormously to destabilize a nation that was existing in relative peace.

By acting the part of a simpleton, our government may have helped usher in a collapsed stability and chaos that will last for decades in Egypt, expanding out negative reverberations in all directions.

In Community Organizer College, they may not have had foreign policy 101. What we’re left with is a president who on that subject, is a big fat zero, and a nation dangerously close to becoming one itself.


6 posted on 07/06/2013 7:39:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: Former Fetus
If a country has diverse populations that are really commited to their religions and values, they need a leader who is firm but even-handed. Libya, Egypt, Iraq and the others were headed that way. Would we be any worse off if Qadaffi were alive and still in power? Would our ambassador and his staff still be alive? Could I still visit the pyramids and visit Cairo's museums? Could I go to Iraq and see first hand fantastic Persian antiquities?

We've destroyed the past, present, and future with some misguided dream the puppet masters have of global control. Does anyone seriously think what happens to the globe when they have it all?

7 posted on 07/06/2013 7:45:02 AM PDT by grania
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Former Fetus.
US reporters and commentators today portray this week's protests as the restoration of the Egyptian revolution. That revolution, they remain convinced, was poised to replace long-time Egyptian leader and US-ally Hosni Mubarak with a liberal democratic government led by people who used Facebook and Twitter. Subsequently, we were told, that revolution was hijacked by the Muslim Brotherhood.

8 posted on 07/06/2013 8:00:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Obama's entire administration can be summed up in two words.

"Kitten Juggling" - A Navin R. Johnson reference.

Mother: Navin, it's your birthday, and it's time you knew. You're not our natural-born child. Navin R. Johnson: I'm not? You mean I'm gonna STAY this color?

9 posted on 07/06/2013 8:01:59 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Former Fetus

This was an excellent article, factual, true...wish everyone would read it. When I read it this week, I too went back to Isaiah and read some of the prophecies regarding Egypt.

The one you cited had a near fulfillment of the Assyrian conquest of Egypt (Is. 20:3-6). But I believe, as do many, that it also has a fulfillment that is yet future (and near), as you have indicated.

The rest of the chapter that you made reference to goes on to say that “in that day” [STILL FUTURE] there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD near its border. And it will become a sign and a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD because of a Champion, and He will deliver them. (v. 19-20)

I believe that Champion and Deliverer is the returning Lord Jesus Christ. The chapter goes on (v. 21-24):

“Thus the LORD will make Himself known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the LORD in that day. They will even worship with sacrifice and offering, and will make a vow to the LORD and perform it. 22 And the LORD will strike Egypt, striking but healing; so they will return to the LORD, and He will respond to them and will heal them. 23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria (present day Syria), and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians. 24 In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, 25 whom the LORD of hosts has blessed, saying, ‘Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.’”

So there is hope for Egypt when the Champion and Deliverer comes. No so for Edom (present day Jordan), Babylon (present day Iraq), and other nations.

God has told us in His Word what will happen. And we can depend on it. He gave us His Word that we might live on this earth in peace and in hope in the midst of darkness and destruction.

He also gave us His Word as a witness to the One whom He sent and the deliverance we have from our sins, death, and the devil through Him. The Word continues to go out TO REPENT, FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. He is coming soon and His kingdom will be realized on this earth when He comes to set up His kingdom in Jerusalem and reign in justice and righteousness.


10 posted on 07/06/2013 8:12:48 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: No.6

I can guarantee you that Caroline Glick is not naive. You might check out who she is and her credentials, experience, etc.

Americans in general are clueless about the hostilities in the Middle East and our government for the most part is naive as well. But, YES, the current administration is not ignorant, nor are his hand-picked Muslim buddies and communists, which go hand in hand together.


11 posted on 07/06/2013 8:21:13 AM PDT by TurkeyLurkey
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To: DoughtyOne

“By acting the part of a simpleton, our government may have helped usher in a collapsed stability and chaos that will last for decades.”

EXCELLENT analysis!

Remember Tito and Yugoslavia. Worship of democracy is as dangerous as worship of king or dictator. Replacing one self-serving tyrant with a self serving tyranny composed of millions of individual self-serving elements is not always a good idea.

Leadership, whether a single individual, a committee or a parliament MUST know and behave as if it is ACCOUNTABLE to God. Otherwise, that leadership begins to amass power, working to elevate itself to the status of a god. Once that is accomplished, it sets its sights on replacing the one true God.

Better ruled by a godly king or dictator than an ungodly populace. If you disagree, consider three items.

John Adams quote, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Yugoslavia since Tito.

The French Revolution’s war against God and the subsequent Reign of Terror.


12 posted on 07/06/2013 8:49:02 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege
"Leadership, whether a single individual, a committee or a parliament MUST know and behave as if it is ACCOUNTABLE to God. Otherwise, that leadership begins to amass power, working to elevate itself to the status of a god. Once that is accomplished, it sets its sights on replacing the one true God."

In Mel Gibson's The Patriot, his character is a veteran of the French and Indian War who is initially reluctant to commit to the War for Independence. In one scene he asks, "Why should I trade a tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away?"

13 posted on 07/06/2013 8:54:21 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

Why would any nation trust the USA politicians??


14 posted on 07/06/2013 9:14:12 AM PDT by winodog
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To: Former Fetus

Some of us said the Brotherhood would wind up in control: Beck, Hannity, Savage, and people like me. sadly, we turned out to be right. As horrible as Mubarak was, he was less repressive than the Brotherhood and he was our ally who kept the peace with Israel. Hopefully, the military government will turn things back that way.


15 posted on 07/06/2013 9:48:05 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: winodog

It’s a big “IF”.... yup


16 posted on 07/06/2013 1:20:24 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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