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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The important question is whether such an attack with a man on top of him would leave Zimmerman to “reasonably believe” that there was a threat of “imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.”

I am no coward. I have a high pain threshold. However, when faced with bodily injury when I was doing no wrong, I have no pause in using my weapon. (At least in a vacuum.) Now, with this case, I will analytically assess the pounding I will take. The hood has won in this case. I am willing to go through a lot of pain to not go though what Zimmerman has.

Now if I had my head being punched in the pavement, then my post is completely irrelevant. The next time I get punched I may be dead. I will kill to stay alive. This case has given me pause in standing my ground, literally. I will run away instead of facing the crap that Zimmerman is going through, even though I may be in my right to stand my ground.

There is no freedom and liberty in out nation as long as we have thug underclass that is dealt with in a PC manner.

6 posted on 07/05/2013 8:19:32 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (.Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

A key point that will arise in the defense is only hinted at as of yet.

It’s not only a question of GZ getting his head bashed on the concrete. (And IMHO that’s enough.)

It’s the fact that the kel-tec 9mm with the double-action trigger and no safety would be an immediate deadly weapon in TM’s hand if he got to it first.

Whoever grabs that pistol, can shoot it. No safety, no nothing. Grab that gun, BANG, it’s in a shootable condition. By anybody, right away.

GZ had to use it first, or it would be used against him, if he lost the “MMA wrestling match.” And he was losing the fight, clearly.

It had to be in his mind that if TM got to the gun first, he was dead.

This will be a key point for the defense. It’s why GZ’s lawyer spent so much time discussing the trigger action etc of the kel-tec with the FDLE gun gal. He was setting this up.


15 posted on 07/05/2013 8:36:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ConservativeInPA

” even though I may be in my right to stand my ground.”

The “stand your ground” law has never been invoked in this case. The defense argument is pure self defense.


18 posted on 07/05/2013 8:42:26 PM PDT by Figment
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To: ConservativeInPA
That's exactly what "dear leader" wants and one of the 2 purposes of this circus.
31 posted on 07/05/2013 8:52:15 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: ConservativeInPA

If I had been Zimmerman and my chamber was loaded I would have emptied it in the thug. Martin was on dope and these thugs go crazy on dope. That the sorry ass judge would not allow the jury to know Martin was on dope and this could have contributed to his attacking Zimmerman is to me grounds to have a conviction overturned if that’s what happens. And I would bet a dollar to a donut that Dr. Yong Ho told the worthless prosecutor about the dope yesterday, then covered for the crooked bastard when he testified today. When Don West asked him did he talk about marijuana at yesterday’s meeting he said “no can remember”. West should have said “well I find that hard to believe that you can’t remember something that happened yesterday”. But he let the evasive liar off the hook.


40 posted on 07/05/2013 9:20:39 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: ConservativeInPA

This wasn’t even a stand your ground case, it’s a self defense case.

he couldn’t get away because he got sucker punched and then the guy got on top of him and started whaling away.


41 posted on 07/05/2013 9:22:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Any one with an ounce of knowledge of boxing and martial arts knows that to take a first punch is suicidal. Injury insignificant? At the moment of attack they are not, maybe after, but during the attack?

This is a language of no nuclear retaliation during an attack that Obama has been promoting via KgB.


59 posted on 07/05/2013 10:53:35 PM PDT by lavaroise
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