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Washington Post releases four new slides from NSA's Prism presentation
Guardian UK ^ | Sunday 30 June 2013 10.59 EDT | Ed Pilkington in New York

Posted on 06/30/2013 8:06:08 AM PDT by Perdogg

The Washington Post has released four previously unpublished slides from the NSA's PowerPoint presentation on Prism, the top-secret programme that collects data on foreign surveillance targets from the systems of nine participating internet companies.

The newly published top-secret documents, which the newspaper has released with some redactions, give further details of how Prism interfaces with the nine companies, which include such giants as Google, Microsoft and Apple. According to annotations to the slides by the Washington Post, the new material shows how the FBI "deploys government equipment on private company property to retrieve matching information from a participating company, such as Microsoft or Yahoo and pass it without further review to the NSA".

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1 posted on 06/30/2013 8:06:08 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

To secure and protect your freedoms, we must be willing to have a gubamint snooping thru our every detail of our lives... and our allies.

it’s the American way , y’know.

Uhhhhh..


2 posted on 06/30/2013 8:10:18 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: Perdogg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/


3 posted on 06/30/2013 8:13:33 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: NormsRevenge
To secure and protect your freedoms, we must be willing to have a gubamint snooping thru our every detail of our lives... and our allies.

We had to burn down the village to save it.

4 posted on 06/30/2013 8:14:59 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, thank God administration lackey Susan Rice, as the new NSA Director, will put a stop to this Obamanation..... </s>


5 posted on 06/30/2013 8:24:22 AM PDT by MamaLucci (Obama lied, people died.)
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To: Perdogg

Do the feds and lawmakers sue the information for insider trading in the name of personal gain? Me thinks the government is only looking out for personal, financial and political gain, and not national security


6 posted on 06/30/2013 8:32:47 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: Perdogg
So it’s not a far fetched idea to believe that Microsoft would install a “Back Door” during one of their security updates so the NSA has direct access to our computers.
7 posted on 06/30/2013 8:34:49 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: Perdogg

The new charts show both the details of the Prism system and the authorization process. Snowden has not talked much about either of these. But he has, for example, inferred that any Analyst has free reign to browse the collected data. The charts say NO to that.

Now it is certainly possible, some would say likely, that the Analysts get rubber stamp approval to do their browsing. I suspect not. Others will disagree.

But the chart tells us that there is a review and approval process in place at NSA and, if you look closely, at the FBI. In the case of the FBI there is the notation: “Research and Validate no USPERs” which would mean, I assume, that the FBI needs to insure that No U.S. Persons are being looked at for the request in question.

Is the system honored? As Hamlet would remind us, that is the question.

FWIW.


8 posted on 06/30/2013 8:35:24 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: Perdogg
.... Hmmmmm ..... In order to secure and protect our freedom we somehow decided that the best way to do this was to ..... give up our freedom in exchange for security and protection.

Yup ...... makes sense to me ...... NOT

9 posted on 06/30/2013 8:37:01 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Perdogg
"Ve kan only truly protect you, ven ve know all der is to know about you! Sieg Heil! to de great Fueher."

They are running rampant and literally trampling the US Constitution before our very eyes now to achieve their aims.

SNOWDEN, PPRISM, AND THE NSA

See also:

Former Director of NSA Intelligence reveals the full extent of PRISM capabilities. MUST SEE!

Another William Benny interview about PRISM and the NSA

10 posted on 06/30/2013 8:40:10 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Perdogg

I find the idea of top-secret Powerpoint presentations hilarious.


11 posted on 06/30/2013 8:48:46 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: InterceptPoint

Snowden outright stated that getting approval was banally easy - about 5% of all requests received any scrutiny at all.

He said this early on.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 8:53:29 AM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: Jeff Head

Senators Ask if NSA Collected Gun Data

http://freebeacon.com/senators-ask-if-nsa-collected-gun-data/


13 posted on 06/30/2013 8:53:53 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Falcon4.0

According to someone I know who is a very reliable source, Microsoft operating systems have been compromised since 1995...


14 posted on 06/30/2013 8:54:23 AM PDT by BullDog108 (FUBO)
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To: MamaLucci

I wonder if everyone’s activities is truly captured&monitored by the NSA or other agnecies.. IF so, her records would be worth review..

What a stunning record of protecting embassies in Africa during her service under Bubba...

and what about her cell records about the time the Benghazi talking points blew up would be interesting to, imo.

Can you hear me now, Holder? HOLDER???

talk about clinton retreads.

(/rant off)


15 posted on 06/30/2013 8:59:13 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: R_Kangel

You think Ben FRanklin would have signed off on this program?

He enjoyed a good party and a drink or two... or so I read somewhere

amazing how you can have the best fishing net in the world, but then how to get a big fish to jump in it.. ya starve.. or eat a lot of little ones..

funny how the Boston Bombers swam thru the net repeatedly.. not a peep, ‘til .. well, at least we had the records for that, a lot of good it did..

Time for a bunker upgrade .. double layered tinfoil hatch coming up.. with a lead lined 2-seater portoilet.

The stink is in the wind.. and our flag is flying in it..

Giddyup!


16 posted on 06/30/2013 9:04:02 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: jurroppi1
Snowden outright stated that getting approval was banally easy - about 5% of all requests received any scrutiny at all.

He said this early on.

Yes he did. Do we believe him? That's my problem. A lot of what he said is certainly not true. And some of what he has told us is true. Very hard to tell which is which.

17 posted on 06/30/2013 9:04:14 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: Jeff Head

People cringe when they see parallels drawn between the 30s and now..

Those who have studied history know full well how slippery the slope is between a full blown tyranny and a government of sane and decent people.

God help US All!!


18 posted on 06/30/2013 9:07:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: InterceptPoint
Is the system honored? As Hamlet would remind us, that is the question.

I am 100% certain the answer is NO. The Power at their fingertips is so tempting for any leftist.

Leftist are absolute control freaks -- the power of the NSA data at the fingertips of Obama's top true believers is too powerful to not use.

I would gather that early on in his first term a secret access point to the NSA data was put in place, just for use by his top political operatives.

19 posted on 06/30/2013 9:12:26 AM PDT by sand88
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To: Perdogg; admin
It appears to me that there is significantly less interest in the Snowden case here on FR than there was early on as evidenced by the weak response to your very important post. The new charts tell us much more than the original set and should be reviewed by interested Freepers, particularly by those who post to your thread.

In contrast, the DU thread on this subject is getting a lot of attention and some surprisingly (for the DU) interesting comments.

I'm assuming it is OK to link to DU but I could be wrong. If so Admin should delete this post. In any case, here is the DU link:

DU Thread: Newly Released NSA Slides Explain the PRISM Data-Collection Program

20 posted on 06/30/2013 9:18:52 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: Falcon4.0
So it’s not a far fetched idea to believe that Microsoft would install a “Back Door” during one of their security updates so the NSA has direct access to our computers.

Not only that, I really wouldn't be surprised if they go ahead and set up hidden partitions on at least some of the computers they hack. Makes it easier to virtualize us, doncha know.

I've often read that Chinese/Russian botnet owners will do battle with each other on our computers for ownership rights, with the "current occupant" proclaiming squatter's rights. The thought of the FBI/NSA and the PRC battling for control behind the scenes in all those millions of hidden partitions is more than a little amusing.

21 posted on 06/30/2013 9:22:58 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: NormsRevenge
Watch this. Lays it all out.

VIdeo interview with High Level NSA Whistle blowers.

Here's one of the slides from the "secret" NSA presentation:



Note that anyone who subscribes to any of the services on the left, has already had all of the information listed on the right collected about them. All an NSA, FBI, CIA, DHS, or any other official has to do is request the info through the PRISM program...without your knowledge, without due process, without any specific probable cause whatsoever. All they have to do is request it. It is completely unconstitutional and tramples the 4th and 10th amendments.

Anyone supporting such activity is an out and out traitor and enemy to the people of this country, and an abject oath breaker regarding their oath to the US Constitution.

22 posted on 06/30/2013 9:41:07 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Bump to post 22.

No wonder they don’t like Snowden. I hope that this continues to unravel.


23 posted on 06/30/2013 9:43:56 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: Perdogg

PRISM bump for later...


24 posted on 06/30/2013 9:59:17 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: InterceptPoint

“In contrast, the DU thread on this subject is getting a lot of attention and some surprisingly (for the DU) interesting comments.”

Great point. Thanks for the link, was very interesting.


25 posted on 06/30/2013 10:46:04 AM PDT by Cedar
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To: F15Eagle; HollyB; Saoirise
And people used to wonder how the Mark of the Beast could ever possibly be implemented. This is a precursor, and a big one at that. It could easily be transformed for Satan's end days purposes. Interesting name for this program:

"Prism" 2. A transparent body of this form, often of glass and usually with triangular ends, used for separating white light passed through it into a spectrum or for reflecting beams of light.

(Who disguises himself as a 'angel of light'? Hint: 2 Cor. 11:14)

PRISM is prison. You just can't feel the chains.

26 posted on 06/30/2013 10:47:57 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD? Psalm 112)
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To: Sherman Logan
I find the idea of top-secret Powerpoint presentations hilarious

One might get the impression that it was created specifically for public consumption, mightn't one.

27 posted on 06/30/2013 11:00:00 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Perdogg
It's becoming more evident by the day, why Superman no longer, says Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
28 posted on 06/30/2013 11:05:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: DoughtyOne
Actually, come to think of it, it's becoming more evident by the day, why Superman no longer, says Truth, Justice, or the American Way.

Which of these old standards does our government actually stick to these days?

29 posted on 06/30/2013 11:08:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: RegulatorCountry

i see these kind of powerpoint shows all the time in really big corporations or government beauracracies. Its their way of bragging about their position and power - and is easily digestable by simple minds such as the fascists have.

So we live in a fascists imperial state. Best to start flying under the radar, reduce postings on freerepublic, and think about forming traditional underground cells for relay of information.


30 posted on 06/30/2013 11:26:25 AM PDT by Deathtomarxists (hillary's cankles smiled at me)
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To: Deathtomarxists

You first, noob.


31 posted on 06/30/2013 11:27:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: realcleanguy

This administration bundles COPYRIGHT PROTECTION (music/film piracy) under the responsibilities of HOMELAND SECURITY. This is not about national security and terrorist attacks, it is about being buddies to the donors in Big Media.

I’m reading a book right now about the mafia and MCA records. In the late 1970s some FBI agents left to go work for RIAA at double or triple their pay and “partnered with the FBI” to break up a large bootlegging operation. Basically the music business bought themselves some FBI agents to do the work for them.

Pay for play. Payola.

I agree the copyright violation is often criminal, but there isn’t anyone looking out for the citizens when their house gets broken into. Little prosecution or even evidence collection.

Why the $%&$ should the government put a higher priority on halting the production/transfer of copyrighted materials than physical personal property, armed thuggery, and terrorism?


32 posted on 06/30/2013 12:09:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Jeff Head

Full?

HOW ABOUT BUFFALOED?

or Bullied?


33 posted on 06/30/2013 12:14:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: InterceptPoint

Simply look to the FISA court and how many approvals were granted vs. the number of requests. In most cases these secret rulings (the content of the request and ruling are secret, but not the outcome) were indeed granted.

The number granted is astounding.

What is it that Snowden has said that has been properly debunked, and by whom? I’m struggling to understand why I should believe anything the government or its’ several agencies have to say with regard to any of this. There are also other whistleblowers who have tried to out this same info following the “legitimate path” and gotten nowhere; being marginalized and ignored along the way. They are (from what I have seen) backing up Snowden’s assertions.


34 posted on 06/30/2013 12:19:34 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: a fool in paradise
Why the $%&$ should the government put a higher priority on halting the production/transfer of copyrighted materials than physical personal property, armed thuggery, and terrorism?

Dunno.

Don't suppose it could have anything to do with the amount of contributions/oblique stroke/kickbacks RIAA and the record companies "donate" to the 'rats, could it?

Okay, I'll add the /sarc.

35 posted on 06/30/2013 12:27:32 PM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (For why should my Freedom be judged by anothers conscience? 1 Cor 10:29)
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To: InterceptPoint

And you believe the government employees and their supposed checks/balances and procedures?

The IRS isn’t supposed to target specific people, groups etc for additional scrutiny, much less promulgate taxpayer information to other people outside the IRS. But they did that.

The EPA isn’t supposed to treat FOIA requestors differently, but they do.

The FBI is supposed to run a completely above-board operation, but they’re perfectly content to shoot a woman with a baby in her arms. Oh, and incinerate men, women and children.

You trust the NSA’s “checks and balances?” Then I have a bridge I want to sell you.


36 posted on 06/30/2013 12:27:43 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave
You trust the NSA’s “checks and balances?” Then I have a bridge I want to sell you.

There is a difference between the cases you listed and the NSA. A big difference.

In the case of the IRS or the EPA the Checks and Balances are under the direct control of Obama. He calls the shots. Blind obedience follows. Congress has very little to say about how business is conducted. There are really no rules.

In the case of the FBI, Obama and Holder run the show any way they want. Enough said on that. We all know how that works.

The case of NSA collecting our E-mails and phone records is different. There are strict rules and direct Congressional oversight. There is also a security clearance hierarchy that goes well above TS and not just everyone has access to everything just because they have a TS clearance.

All of this makes the idea that Obama can get a funnel directly to any info that NSA collects and use if for political purposes is problematic. While not impossible, it would not be easy and it would raise flags left and right.

Another thing that is worth pointing out is the general political position of the people involved at NSA and companies like Booz-Allen. They are much more disposed to the GOP then, for example, the equivalent members of the IRS who are, I believe, about 95% registered Dems. So blind obedience is not so easy at NSA. I think if pressure was applied by Obama someone in Congress would hear about it. But I'm just speculating on that. You can never be sure.

So don't throw out the "Check and Balances" so easily. Yes, they may be corrupted a bit. Maybe a lot. But actually have very little evidence of that with the possible exception of the nearly universal rubber stamp of the FISA judges.

If I'm right about the Check and Balances then that doesn't mean that the power given to NSA is not too much. It probably is in which case Congress should step in and limit that power. But I would hesitate to throw out the Baby with the Bathwater. We still need somebody watching out for those pesky Chinese and Russians not to say the French.

37 posted on 06/30/2013 12:57:55 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint
A lot of what he said is certainly not true.

Source?

38 posted on 06/30/2013 12:58:02 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher
Source?

Me mostly.

But there have been comments questioning Snowden's claims by many in the media and people with background in the Intelligence community.

It's not that what he says are direct lies. Much of what he says is true but only to a limited extent.

He clearly exaggerates his ability to pluck information out of the NSA database. He claims for example that if he knew Obama's e-mail address he could read his mail. I don't think so. Nor could he listen into his recorded conversations. I don't believe all U.S. communications are collected. He infers they are. I think some are but most aren't. Time will tell who's right.

39 posted on 06/30/2013 1:08:32 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint

—— There are strict rules-—

You’ve pretty much got it right.

It is my thought that the whole SA affair is designed to take the heat off the other problems, the really bad problems for Obama.

So far as I know, there is nothing about the NSA revelations that is not legal. The use of illegal info by Obama seems probable but so far I’ve seen no concrete examples.


40 posted on 06/30/2013 1:10:01 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet

That is entirely the reason.

They by the laws, they buy the enforcement.

But it has ZERO to do with national SECURITY as they have hijacked Homeland Security to do for them.


41 posted on 06/30/2013 1:26:07 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: bert

[So far as I know, there is nothing about the NSA revelations that is not legal.]

What would a subversive activist like Bradley Manning do with such information to serve his “cause”?


42 posted on 06/30/2013 2:01:48 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: InterceptPoint

Why would you link to DU for this info rather than just provide a direct link to the article? You do know that DU is the batshit-crazy laughingstock of the political blogosphere, don’t you? Even other moonbats think it’s a joke. It’s chock full of nonsensical Socialists and America-haters. Just about every member has a serious mental illness, by their own admission.


43 posted on 06/30/2013 2:34:46 PM PDT by dandi
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To: dandi

What can I say? Read my post. Check out the link. Yes most DU stuff is junk. This case is different. You see basically the same arguments at DU that you see here.

Don’t shoot the messenger. I’m no DU fan.


44 posted on 06/30/2013 2:41:59 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (If I had a tag line this is where you would find it)
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To: InterceptPoint

I got a bridge in Arizona to sell you. Gimme a check for $99.95 and it’s yours, baby.


45 posted on 06/30/2013 3:10:33 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Jeff Head; PhilDragoo; Travis McGee; Jim Robinson


- Right now Edward Snowden is "the man on the grassy knoll"

- We know who he is -

- We know he has more ammunition -

- We know Obama wants him dead but he cannot touch him -

- We know anyone and everyone involved with the NSA, CIA, HLS, DOJ, FBI, IRS is scared stiff and EX-LAX is not ever going to help them -

- We know Obama is being laughed at by the Russkies, Chi-Coms, Ecuador, Daniel Ellsberg, Glenn Beck, and now even the NFL -

- We know both the left and the right are joined at the hip and bipartisanship is not what Barack "Flexible Hoser" Obama wants or needs -

- We know listening to ancient audiotapes of "THE MAKE BELIEVE BALLROOM" is not going to help Obama - Going on a $100 million dollar safari to sell homosexuality to Africans is not going too well either -

- So what is Obama doing in Africa anyway?

- Is he doing another IRS video rerun of MLK-Jesse "Bloody Shirt" Jackson and/or his "Typical White Woman" grandmother in Hawaii days before the 2008 election?

- Who has the big brass ones now?

- Edward Snowden - or Barry of the Bungle -


46 posted on 06/30/2013 3:35:04 PM PDT by devolve (----- ----- ----- it not unlegal iffen I do*s it ----- ----- -----)
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To: Perdogg

The Washington comPost is part of the Obama administration?


47 posted on 06/30/2013 3:42:41 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: InterceptPoint
Source?

Me mostly.

Staggeringly unpersuasive.

48 posted on 06/30/2013 4:27:46 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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To: TArcher

what information?


49 posted on 06/30/2013 4:28:35 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: InterceptPoint

They have to collect everything. Otherwise it would not be a legal operation and could not be approved by a secret judge in a secret court.


50 posted on 06/30/2013 4:36:33 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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