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George Zimmerman trial raises questions of race and racial language (White guilt warning)
The Oregonian ^ | June 29, 2013 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 06/30/2013 1:19:03 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The trial of George Zimmerman, accused of fatally shooting Trayvon Martin, inevitably and quickly devolved into a contest of who is more racist -- the victim or the accused?

The question was inevitable because the prosecution is basing its case largely on the suggestion that Zimmerman profiled the 17-year-old African-American, allegedly deciding he was a potential threat by virtue of his race.

This assumption was somewhat complicated Thursday during testimony by 19-year-old Rachel Jeantel, a friend of Martin's who was talking to him by cellphone shortly before he was shot. Sidebar: Poor Jeantel. Whether she is a credible witness will be determined by the jury, but the rest of us really ought to cut the girl some slack. She is young, obviously playing on alien turf and having a tough-enough time on the witness stand without further commentary. She may, indeed, be the best argument yet for keeping cameras out of the courtroom, but that is another discussion. Jeantel's contribution to the race discussion included a quote she attributed to Martin when he told her a "creepy-ass cracker" was watching him. No doubt Zimmerman did seem creepy. He was following Martin after all, who, as far as anyone knows with certainty, was merely walking home from a convenience store. Does Martin's use of "cracker" mean he was a racist and, therefore, may have instigated the struggle that, according to the defense, compelled Zimmerman to shoot Martin in self-defense?

Jeantel told defense attorney Don "Knock-Knock" West that, no, she doesn't consider "cracker" a racist term. Apparently, most whites don't either. In street interviews aired Thursday, CNN found that whites are not as offended by the term "cracker" as they are by the N-word......

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: trayvon; trayvonstroops; zimmerman
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They actually pay her to do this?
1 posted on 06/30/2013 1:19:04 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...Portlandia....its real.


2 posted on 06/30/2013 1:23:13 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The party of the Confederacy feels guilty and pushes that guilt onto the party that beat the Confederacy.


3 posted on 06/30/2013 2:00:32 AM PDT by NoLibZone (There is only one solution: Secession by the Red states.No need to be in the NYC union.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It has to be racial because that helps portrays blacks as victims and the democratic party as their only hope for justice in America. This isn't a trial, it's just another opportunity to control your mind.

To quote the late great musical genius, Frank Zappa:

I am gross and perverted

I'm obsessed 'n deranged

I have existed for years

But very little had changed

I am the tool of the Government

And industry too

For I am destined to rule

And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious

But you can't look away

I make you think I'm delicious

With the stuff that I say

I am the best you can get

Have you guessed me yet?

I am the slime oozin' out

From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you

And eat the garbage that I feed you

Until the day that we don't need you

Don't go for help...no one will heed you

Your mind is totally controlled

It has been stuffed into my mold

And you will do as you are told

Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks..

Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video

Oozin' along on your livin'room floor

I am the slime from your video

Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go

I am the Slime" by Frank Zappa

5 posted on 06/30/2013 2:02:08 AM PDT by RC one
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Martin also called Zimmerman a “ni——” too. Parker does not want to mention that

White Guilt Liberalism is more dangerous than Black Racism...White Guilt Liberals are enablers


6 posted on 06/30/2013 2:04:22 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: SeminoleCounty

You have to understand that “n****r” is Ebonics for “person”.

That’s why they use that word with such regularity.


7 posted on 06/30/2013 2:27:01 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

8 posted on 06/30/2013 2:31:30 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

so, if you are not offended by a word, then the word is not racist. Got it. Thanks.


9 posted on 06/30/2013 2:58:50 AM PDT by stylin19a (Obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s a real racists at work. Kathleen Parker thinks some blacks are too dim witted to be held to account for disrespectful, slovenly speech and using racially charged terms. No black person can be racist because they were trampled so badly by history that the spirit simply isn’t in them.

This woman is as bigoted as they come.


10 posted on 06/30/2013 3:01:17 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: M1911A1

Kathleen Parker was one of the women who loudly derided Sarah Palin when she was running for VP ...


11 posted on 06/30/2013 3:11:18 AM PDT by Ken522
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"but the rest of us really ought to cut the girl some slack. "

Speak for yourself ya moron.

12 posted on 06/30/2013 3:23:28 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Creepy as cracker is slang for homosexual male thus her cment. “He might be a rapist ——Run! “

TM also a homophobe ! A reason to start the fight?


13 posted on 06/30/2013 3:24:49 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

useful idiots writing guilt articles for white folk to read


14 posted on 06/30/2013 3:25:54 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: RC one

Frank Zappa quote ping!


15 posted on 06/30/2013 3:46:30 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What does Paula Deen say about all this?


16 posted on 06/30/2013 3:47:57 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Flick Lives; RC one
I'm the Slime (subtitled in Spanish !)

I'm the slime (Subtitulado en español)

17 posted on 06/30/2013 3:52:58 AM PDT by csvset
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He was following Martin after all, who, as far as anyone knows with certainty, was merely walking home from a convenience store.

The Big Lie


18 posted on 06/30/2013 3:54:39 AM PDT by BushCountry (We Wanted a President That Listens to All Americans - Now We Have One!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let me see if I can follow her logic. A guy in a dark hoodie is walking around the neighborhood in the rain apparently “casing” houses. Another guy who happens to be riding by sees him and gets suspicious and attempts to see what he’s up to. The guy in the hoodie is the normal one and other guy is the creepy one. Got it.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 4:00:32 AM PDT by suthener
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No doubt Zimmerman did seem creepy. He was following Martin after all, who, as far as anyone knows with certainty, was merely walking home from a convenience store.

We know with certainty that Trayvon Martin was merely walking home.

We don't know with certainty that Trayvon Martin viciously attacked George Zimmerman, inflicting injuries that would give any rational person a justifiable fear for his life. Interesting perspective.

20 posted on 06/30/2013 4:03:38 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yo, that dawg don’t hunt no mo’! No white guilt here.


21 posted on 06/30/2013 4:07:58 AM PDT by Student0165
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here Parker tries to get back in the good graces of the racialists by (1)insinuating Martin is innocent and Zimmerman is guilty (2) Zimmerman (with Black and Hispanic ancestry) is a “white” person (3) the star witness for the prosecution is an unfortunate poor person who is not responsible for her actions including lying on the stand and (4) white people cannot be called derogatory terms by a black person because the n word is more offensive, and besides, Blacks can’t be racists. She doesn’t claim the latter, but reading between the lines she implies it. She’s probably got a Trayvon Martin photo on the wall in her office. The young photo.


22 posted on 06/30/2013 4:08:21 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

CNN found that whites are not as offended by the term “cracker” as they are by the N-word......

The N-word doesn’t offend me at all. and we Crackers cannot get as offended as blacks no mater how we try. Because we aren’t brought up and taught hatred from the day of birth onward.

A black can call me anything they like, mostly I have been called a M-F’er and even that doesn’t bother me much because I look at the poor pathetic racist POS doing the calling and Thank God I am not him/her.


23 posted on 06/30/2013 4:25:22 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m no more offended by “cracker” than I am by the word “gringo”. Both are humorous to me.


24 posted on 06/30/2013 4:28:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The two things to take from the testimony of Miss Slim Jeans (apart from her repeatedly having lied under oath) are 1) she clearly has an IQ no greater than 75...2) she clearly,and unashamedly,stated that she got involved in this case because she believes it *is* a racial issue.
25 posted on 06/30/2013 4:35:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Ken522

You’re right.
Kathleen Parker is a skank.


26 posted on 06/30/2013 4:40:03 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Dallas59

You forgot the 4” diameter hoop earrings.

Nice job though!


27 posted on 06/30/2013 4:41:21 AM PDT by left that other site (You Shall Know the Truth, and the Truth Shall Set You Free...John 8:32)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These words, and the case built upon them, ultimately may prove little more than an abundance of superfluous breath.

The same can be said about your articles, Kathleen.

28 posted on 06/30/2013 4:46:28 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

THe apologist pile-on coming from the usual panderers is pathetic.


29 posted on 06/30/2013 4:47:03 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: ronnie raygun

“I hate white people. All of them”

You gonna have to kill some Crackers. We gonna have to kill some of their babies”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIrKtoHYPsE


30 posted on 06/30/2013 4:51:13 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: Pollster1

That second pic, of a black teen giving the finger, is not Trayvon Martin.


31 posted on 06/30/2013 5:01:06 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is always a market for liberals who pretend to be conservatives: Smerconish in Philly; David Brooks at NYT; and this air-head. Truth is Peggy Noonan isn’t much better—and she’s even more annoying.


32 posted on 06/30/2013 5:18:14 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: icwhatudo
That second pic, of a black teen giving the finger, is not Trayvon Martin.

Good point. That's one of the things I like about conservatives in general and about FR in particular. We care about the facts. I should have looked at it more carefully before posting.

33 posted on 06/30/2013 5:18:48 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

“White Guilt Liberalism is more dangerous than Black Racism...White Guilt Liberals are enablers”

Yep:

http://blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2013/03/white20woman20begs20forgivenessjpg.html


34 posted on 06/30/2013 5:22:22 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: Pollster1

Marcia Clark of O.J. trial infamy was on Judge Jeanine last night and was claiming that GZ’s “self defense” claim would only be valid if a reasonable person thought he was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, that he may subjectively have thought he was in danger but that a reasonable person might not given that his injuries were not severe enough...sounded like she was hoping for a “manslaughter” verdict.


35 posted on 06/30/2013 5:27:51 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Gay State Conservative

1) she clearly has an IQ no greater than 75

You’re too kind....


36 posted on 06/30/2013 5:34:37 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

That’s just it, GZ WAS in danger of death of major injury. his “ground and pound” thing which you see in MMA fights is significantly more dangerous than anything you ever used to see in fights 40 years ago. You might could feel good about being involved in something like that if there’s a referee there to stop the proceedings before anybody gets seriously hurt, but there was no referee there for Zimmerman...


37 posted on 06/30/2013 5:35:43 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman
Try that again...

That’s just it, GZ WAS in danger of death or major injury. this “ground and pound” thing which you see in MMA fights is significantly more dangerous than anything you ever used to see in fights 40 years ago. You might could feel good about being involved in something like that if there’s a referee there to stop the proceedings before anybody gets seriously hurt, but there was no referee there for Zimmerman...

38 posted on 06/30/2013 5:37:14 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Ken522

She also has her head implanted firmly up obama’s backside.

LLS


39 posted on 06/30/2013 5:49:41 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: varmintman

“Ground and pound” has been around as long as there has been fights, used it myself more than once.


40 posted on 06/30/2013 6:00:55 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does Ms Parker pretend that the girl could even read the column?


41 posted on 06/30/2013 6:04:38 AM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; 101stAirborneVet
Sadly, the final verdict for Zimmerman does depend on how people perceive his race.

"Thank you for calling the "blind" US court system. Para Espanol, marke el numero uno. If you is Black English, punch number 2, n***a. If you a creepy ass cracka, hang up."

42 posted on 06/30/2013 6:07:28 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: varmintman

Would not GZ’s “excited utterances” during the beating best confirm the fact that he was in fear of great injury or death?

If GZ is screaming like that, is he not in a submissive situation and then Trayvon is escalating the fight with unnecessary force?


43 posted on 06/30/2013 6:16:24 AM PDT by dmet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have told people in my office to knock off the rapper talk


44 posted on 06/30/2013 6:40:54 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: hoosiermama

nonot “rapist” rape iss


45 posted on 06/30/2013 6:42:15 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

GN:DN


46 posted on 06/30/2013 6:43:22 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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To: RC one

Zappa - best concert ever.


47 posted on 06/30/2013 6:45:49 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Uncle Chip

I love listening to these yankee libs telling us how Southern blacks talk. If you heard the testimony about what Trademark said you would know she had been coached to sound more PC. Most blacks wouldn’t say creepy. What Trademark likely called Zimmerman was a Gay Ass Cracker referring to him being a Pussy Ass White Boy. That was Trademark saying he wasFitten to Beat him down.


48 posted on 06/30/2013 7:07:15 AM PDT by DeWalt
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Been ages since I read Porker. I can see I haven’t missed much.


49 posted on 06/30/2013 7:07:30 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This assumption was somewhat complicated Thursday during testimony by 19-year-old Rachel Jeantel

The big lie comes pretty early in this article. The assumption was not made "complicated", it was made crystal-clear by her specific statement that she considered it a racial issue because Trashcan called GZ a "cracker".

50 posted on 06/30/2013 7:17:30 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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