Posted on 06/29/2013 7:12:27 PM PDT by markomalley
It’s no accident that the ads that Halely Barbour’s group (a pro amnesty group) is running are featuring Rubio and Ryan...while simultaneously trying to co opt Rand Paul into their ilk. Rubio served the crony capitalists Barbour is attached to by posing as the face to quell Conservative voters until it was too late, and he hopes to pull off the same stunt with Paul Ryan. Their ads from “Americans for a Conservative Direction” (a hideous hijacking of Conservatism), implore Conservative voters to get on board with the Amnesty Rubio tried to hide until the last minute and that Ryan wholeheartedly supports.
They are trying to ram this down our throats whether we want it or not, hoping we won’t notice or won’t care. They got a whole lotta other things coming.
Except for Sessions, Cruz and some others, you can’t tell them from dhims. I’m done with them.
Wrenched my back hauling a window AC down from the attic, and flat out of patience with the GOP-e serving the labor unions and idle rich who need their slave labor.
Let ‘em burn.
“Except for Sessions, Cruz and some others, you can’t tell them from dhims.”
Sessions and Cruz are the only two that I have any use for.
But even those two never mention Deportation. At least I’ve never heard it if they did.
In WWII we found a way to ship out over 100k GIs per month for many months running - and that’s with a population of a bit less than half what we have now.
The welfare has to dry up too.
.. and Dwight Eisenhower, when he was President, managed to ship over a million illegal aliens out of the country.
He called it ‘Operation Wetback’.
The name alone makes the politically correct sissies in charge of the GOP pee down their legs in fear.
They keep saying it’s 11 million that need to come out of the shadows. How do they know it’s that many. What if it’s 35 million?
This amnesty proposal is like a blank check and we have no idea what the true tab will turn out to be. Only fools and traitors could support this nonsense.
Why the hell not?
The US government, with the overwhelming support of the legal population, managed to do a proportionate job with a minimum of fuss or whining ---- in 1954!
During the 1950s, however, this "Good Old Boy" system changed under Eisenhower - if only for about 10 years.
In 1954, Ike appointed retired Gen. Joseph "Jumpin' Joe" Swing, a former West Point classmate and veteran of the 101st Airborne, as the new INS commissioner.
Influential politicians, including Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson (D) of Texas and Sen. Pat McCarran (D) of Nevada, favored open borders, and were dead set against strong border enforcement, Brownell said. But General Swing's close connections to the president shielded him - and the Border Patrol - from meddling by powerful political and corporate interests.
One of Swing's first decisive acts was to transfer certain entrenched immigration officials out of the border area to other regions of the country where their political connections with people such as Senator Johnson would have no effect.
Then on June 17, 1954, what was called "Operation Wetback" began. Because political resistance was lower in California and Arizona, the roundup of aliens began there. Some 750 agents swept northward through agricultural areas with a goal of 1,000 apprehensions a day.
By the end of July, over 50,000 aliens were caught in the two states. Another 488,000, fearing arrest, had fled the country.
By mid-July, the crackdown extended northward into Utah, Nevada, and Idaho, and eastward to Texas.
By September, 80,000 had been taken into custody in Texas, and an estimated 500,000 to 700,000 illegals had left the Lone Star State voluntarily.
Now, to me, that's in the neighborhood of 1,200,000 in three months.
By my cyphering, we can get rid of the mere 6,000,000 claimed by the doofuses --- in about 12 months!
It's not rocket science. Amazingly, if you decide that something can't be done, the odds are YOU probably can't get it done.
It's called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Works every time!
That’s the problem when you go chasing after the ‘Conservatives’ into the ‘Constitutionalists’.
Even us (L) types would be ‘enforce the laws or get rid of them’; not ‘break the law, and we’ll let you rob the Treasury blind’
How many realize that Presidents Hoover, Truman and Eisenhower deported between 9 and 11 million illegals each in order to make jobs for American Citizens. Have you read that anywhere in the media??? Has anyone’s son or daughter come home from school and said they read that in their history lesson?? No and none. The censorship that is going on in this country and the lemings that only care about their own skin and benefit is nausiating. We are all going to pay dearly.
BS. Would this probationary status include SSNs, work permits, and family reunification? This probationary status is the same thing McCain-Kennedy did in 2007 with the Z visa. Now we have the Rubio-Schumer RPI visa. Old wine in new bottles.
Why is it necessary to give them any legalization? Supposedly, many are paying taxes with their phony SSNs and ITNs. Many are already receiving EITC money to the tune of over $4 billion a year. Half of the illegals lack even a high school degree. The vast majority of them won't be paying any income taxes.
The Heritage study correctly includes that over the lifetime of these illegals, the net cost will be $6.3 trillion to the taxpayer. The illegal aliens will collect far more in benefits than they will be paying in taxes.
The border is really not the most important consideration with this bill. It has become the central issue to the talking heads and the the spin masters like Ryan and Rubio who want to take away the focus on the real problems with this bill.
Rubio-Schumer increases legal immigration over the next ten years to 33 million, which is the equivalent of the number of permanent legal immigrants over the past 40 years. It also doubles the guest work program increasing the number by 1. 6 million the first year and 600,000 every year thereafter. And these limits can be waived by HHS. We have 22 million unemployed or underemployed Americans. Who should be our first concern? The people who flaunted our laws or the citizens of this country?
And the illegal aliens are already getting handouts thru their American born children--300,000 to 400,000 a year. One in ten children in this country is born to an illegal alien. Once they start paying into SS and Medicare, how do you exclude them from getting those programs benefits? And the reality is that many states are already paying benefits to illegal aliens, e.g., CA. Once you legalize the status of the lawbreakers, they will get access to many benefits.
Why must we legalize these people? The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.
I heard Ryan on some talk show saying the illegals would have to pass an exam showing they had learned English. This is just incredible. How many examiners would it take to give 11 million probationary American citizens English exams? How many teachers? 50,000? where is the money coming from for the teachers and examiners? Are we really going to round up these new probationary American citizens for deportation because they are a little bad on their language skills? This is just plain ridiculous.
Maybe it is a good thing Ryan did not become VP.
On the other hand, if we can round them up to take an exam, why can't we round them up to deport them?
Mass deportation will never happen.
The GOP members are lining up to give them tax money and the vote.
I am not sure what year your fantasies are from but going back to ~ 30 years ago Reagan gave them access to tax money (EITC) and the vote. Now they all vote for big government, etc, for Obama.
That is why I am skeptical of the ‘head in sand’ approach. I would gladly accept a few of them really paying taxes (unlike the Senate bill which is the same) then going through that again.
Why didn't you stop the Senate monstrosity bill? We wouldn't be in this mess ...
Lie-lie that what I posted is the same as those.
2007 McCain-Kennedy gave them the vote and EITC and food stamps for their dependents.
This Senate Rubio bill gives them the vote and EITC and food stamps for their dependents.
Reagan gave them the vote and EITC and food stamps for their dependents, and they all voted FOR Obama.
My comment was attacking that.
See the pattern?
You seem to be missing the point. No one of any stature or substance is suggesting mass deportation. It is a phony strawman meant to conjure up images of the Holocaust and packed trains of victims. Attrition thru enforcement is the solution--not a blanket amnesty.
I am not sure what year your fantasies are from but going back to ~ 30 years ago Reagan gave them access to tax money (EITC) and the vote. Now they all vote for big government, etc, for Obama.
Are you sure you are addressing the right person? I am against legalization, aka amnesty. The 1986 amnesty was supposed to be a one-time affair never to happen again. Schumer even said that in 1986.
Why didn't you stop the Senate monstrosity bill? We wouldn't be in this mess ...
LOL. Why didn't you?
In order to qualify for the 1986 amnesty, you had to be here longer than 5 years. The bill included fines, learning English, and fines for employers hiring illegals. The process was rife with fraud. The USG estimated one million would apply and the true number turned out to be 2.7 million. One of the 1993 WTC bombers received amnesty thru this process. Reagan actually called it an amnesty while McCain and Rubio say their bills are not. See the pattern?
The problem is once you take the position that you are against anything, even if it is good for this country, even if all the Dems will reject it, then as far as you are concerned it doesn't matter how bad a bill is that the GOP signs off on.
How about a bill that raises your taxes to pay for a house and college for illegals and forces employers to give them preference over you? (and giving them the vote is already a GOP doctrine so I don't have to hypothetical that ).
It doesn't matter as far as you are concerned because your position is that legalizing a single illegal who pays $50K in federal income taxes is the same thing as giving them the vote and my money.
That didn't stop the Senate bill. Sometimes having an argument is helpful.
It doesn't matter as far as you are concerned because your position is that legalizing probational leglization w NO path to citizenship to a single illegal who pays $50K in federal income taxes and can get no benefits is the same thing as giving them the vote and my money.
That was the jist of my comment that you jumped on.
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