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The Brits Are Spying On Us -- They've Got "More Access" Than NSA
Foreign Policy ^ | Friday, June 21, 2013 | John Reed

Posted on 06/23/2013 2:44:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway

We already knew that the U.S. spy agencies collect all kinds on Americans, thanks to leaked documents from NSA contractor Edward Snowden. Now, in a fresh leak, we're learning that Brits are snooping on us, too -- tapping the world's telephone and Internet traffic, and sharing that info with the United States.

Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), Britain's version of the NSA, is allowed to tap more than 200 fiber-optic data cables running through British territory, giving the organization access massive amounts of telephone and Internet data, according to the Guardian, who revealed today that Snowden provided it with a document detailing the UK spy agencies efforts to collect phone and web data.

GCHQ cable taps allow it to gather recordings of phone calls, email content, Facebook entries and any Internet users web browsing history -- not exactly the anonymous metadata that we've been hearing about on the U.S. side of the Atlantic.

What's not surprising is that the UK shares this information with NSA. Remember, the two nations have their 70-year old "special relationship" and are the founding members of the Five-Eyes intelligence sharing agreement, formally known as the UKUSA agreement (pronounced you-kooza). The Five-Eyes are members of a special club of former British colonies that gather and share super secret signals intelligence with each other -- exactly the type of information gathered by NSA and GCHQ. Australia, Canada and New Zealand are the other three members of this little club that was established by secret treaty during World War II.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 06/23/2013 2:44:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I will take this opportunity to see if one of these “limey spies” would like to buy me 1973 series III Landy with right hand drive,a diesel engine, and in a half cab hard top.

A head turner, for sure.

2 posted on 06/23/2013 3:07:42 PM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: nickcarraway
Look at the Brits! Spying on people in other countries!

How freaking normal of them!

3 posted on 06/23/2013 3:10:00 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nickcarraway

They’ve been doing this since at least ECHELON.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 3:10:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: nickcarraway

Of course. They spy on us because we’re foreigners to them and then they turn the info over to NSA and everything is nice and legal-like. NSA has no “direct access to” to our info, legally true. NSA is not spying on Americans, but they’ve got all your $h!+ somewhere, somehow.


5 posted on 06/23/2013 3:15:22 PM PDT by black_diamond
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To: dead

They probably just spy on the other’s citizens, then exchange the info. I recall a story on FR about that years ago. The idea was to get around any legal protections their own citizens had from being spied on by their gov’t.

Just do a search on Menwith Hill. It’s the really weird looking buildings, like geodesic domes.

from wiki:

In 3 November 1999 the BBC reported that they had confirmation from the Australian Government of the existence of a powerful “global spying network” codenamed Echelon, that can eavesdrop on every single phone call, fax or e-mail, anywhere on the planet” with Britain and the United States as the chief protagonists. They confirmed that Menwith Hill was “linked directly to the headquarters of the US National Security Agency (NSA) at Fort Meade in Maryland.”

Freegards


6 posted on 06/23/2013 3:20:27 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed

Still then, my problem is with the US government. The British government does not answer to me.


7 posted on 06/23/2013 3:21:19 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: nickcarraway
“The Five-Eyes are members of a special club of former British colonies that gather and share super secret signals intelligence with each other — exactly the type of information gathered by NSA and GCHQ. Australia, Canada and New Zealand are the other three members of this little club ....”

1) Britain is not a “former British colony”.

2) Four out of the Five members continue to recognize the Queen as their Head of State.

8 posted on 06/23/2013 3:24:04 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: nickcarraway

Queen Elizabeth II is really some guy in drag. (Do you hear me??)


9 posted on 06/23/2013 3:25:11 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Remember the list of "Jam ECHELON keywords"?

The list probably needs significant updating, but with the number of people using smart phones, laptops and tablets compared to 1999, an updated counter-attack could become more problematic for the eavesdroppers.

10 posted on 06/23/2013 3:29:45 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: dead

Absolutely, it is scummy. Our gov’t probably just accepts a gift of intel about us from the Brits and the Brits do the same from the USA.

Quid pro quo, but both sides get something it would be illegal for them to do on their own. At least that was the speculation I recall on what was happening.

Freegards


11 posted on 06/23/2013 3:30:30 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: nickcarraway

Everybody spies on everybody. Only the idiot Press acts shocked.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 3:30:42 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: nickcarraway

Back when spies needed warrants, the US teamed up with its other ECHELON partners in the UKUSA Security Agreement, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom; who together with the US were also known as “five eyes”.

They played a game of “you spy on us and we’ll spy on you”, to evade their domestic anti-spying laws. That is, since the NSA had limitations about spying on Americans, the UK intelligence agency would do so, then turn the results over to the NSA.

By the 1980s, one out of every four long distance phone calls was monitored by computer, mostly using keywords to alert a human operator if there might be something interesting going on.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 4:02:23 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: nickcarraway

Yoo Hoo! Perfidious Albion! I’m over here!


14 posted on 06/23/2013 4:03:51 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: nickcarraway; Kenny Bunk; hoosiermama; thouworm; HANG THE EXPENSE; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; ...
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Article, and # 5.

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15 posted on 06/23/2013 4:51:08 PM PDT by LucyT (I know a guy who’s addicted to brake fluid.... He says he can stop any time.)
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To: nickcarraway

RAF Menwith Hill.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 4:57:19 PM PDT by Red Steel
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The Five-Eyes are members of a special club of former British colonies...

"Yo, da Five Eyeses is meetin'! Drop da gun. Bring da cannoli!"

17 posted on 06/23/2013 5:03:39 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: LucyT

The Europeans are helping the Kenyan dismantle the constitution. And he’s helping them suppress the right.

This is a Quisling/Mohammed symbiosis.


18 posted on 06/23/2013 5:10:13 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: nickcarraway
The Brits Are Spying On Us

What difference does it make? They're Brits, just a bunch of lads.

19 posted on 06/23/2013 5:12:39 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: nickcarraway

This is why the whole “we only spy on non-US persons” is utterly bogus.

The US only spies on non-US persons. The UK spies on US persons using the same sort of technology, and forwards intelligence to the US national security apparatus.

IOW, we’re all on the FEMA camp round-up list. All that remains is right moment to begin the round-up.

I really don’t know whether I should put a sarcasm tag on this.


20 posted on 06/23/2013 5:42:58 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Charles Martel

For full effect, e-mail the list with soft encryption and an easy password like allahakbar.


21 posted on 06/23/2013 5:46:18 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: nickcarraway

“Shagadelic, baby!”


22 posted on 06/23/2013 5:47:29 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: nickcarraway

Why would anyone waste the time and expense of spying on the US? Panetta, Obama, and the rest give away classified information all the time. they even give the info to Movie producers so it can be spread far and wide.


23 posted on 06/23/2013 5:55:19 PM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: dead; LucyT
"The British government does not answer to me."

Neither, apparently, does the US government any longer.

Thanks for the Ping, LucyT.

24 posted on 06/23/2013 6:06:21 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (No more usurpers.)
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To: nickcarraway
An interesting post on GCHQ. It may not be here nor there, but is good for a chuckle. GCHQ had their initial centre at Eastcote Middlesex (My home town). At neighbouring Ruislip in a neat little bungalow, lived Helen and Peter Kroger. They had New Zealand passports. Kroger set up a used bookshop in London in 1954.

Someone finally caught on and the Krogers were arrested. Communist spies and a long association with the Russians. House full of radio equipment and a transmission antenna. They were spying on the GCHQ spy network (laughs).

They were Morris Cohen and his wife Lona, both Brooklyn Americans. They had served about eight of sixteen years. In 1961, when a British citizen was arrested in Moscow as a spy. A swap was arranged. Both Cohens lived out their days in Moscow.

Mad Magazine used to have cartoons titled "spy versus spy". How anyone could pass as New Zealanders coming from Brooklyn, is still beyond me. GCHQ have long left the gentle suburban confines of Eastcote.

25 posted on 06/23/2013 6:48:59 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: nickcarraway

LOL. No surprise here. Everyone, including our own government, is spying on us nowadays.


26 posted on 06/23/2013 7:18:10 PM PDT by hawaiianninja (Palm note to self: Call 'em a Depression and a Cold Civil War. Pray for America!)
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To: nickcarraway

Anyone know? Could the Brits collect data on U.S. citizens and then provide that info to the NSA? WE could then reciprocate to the Brits. Just a tinfoil type question.


27 posted on 06/23/2013 7:26:04 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: cornfedcowboy

See #20.

Each country got info on the other’s citizens and sent it to that country’s snoop agency.

They got around the bans on domestic snooping that way.


28 posted on 06/23/2013 9:33:57 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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