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1 posted on 06/23/2013 1:16:21 PM PDT by redreno
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As I understand it, a business can refuse service to anyone but not on the basis of overt discrimination, specifically, race - although gender is often included. The Colorado bakery is 'discriminating' on the basis of the prospective client's 'sexual orientation'. One has to assume that if the state is bringing discrimination charges against the bakery owners, such a definition exists on Colorado state law. The Christian couple that own the bakery believe homosexual behavior to be a sin, based on biblical scripture. Their spiritual conscience does not allow them to participate in that sin (baking a cake for the ersatz 'wedding') and so they refused the order.

If Colorado laws forbids refusal of a business service based on 'sexual preference' of the potential customer, as in the Masterpiece Bakeshop case, the bakery owners can be charged and fined. However, as The Blaze article points out, Americans have a constitutional right to the practice of their religion. The bakery refusing to bake a 'wedding' cake for a same-sex couple may be technically discriminatory but the real point here is to force acceptance of homosexuality down the throats of those who reject it and make the supposed 'right' of homosexual men or women trump that of those who disagree with their choices on religious grounds.

This was likely a well planned set-up as in a city like Denver, there must be plenty of bakeries that would make a wedding cake for anyone who had the cash. The cake isn't the point. Making homosexual behavior 'mainstream', by force, is. This should be interesting when gays try to force a Muslim business to service them in a way clearly connected to their homosexuality. Oh, wait, they won't. Muslims will burn your house down if you dare offend 'allah'. Christians politely refuse and face the legal consequences. Meanwhile, Americans keep having their individual rights abridged, by law. In the distant future, historians will have a field day examining the decline and eventually demise of America. This case may be an example.

42 posted on 06/23/2013 2:13:50 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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I would have quoted the gays a very high price with payment in advance. If they still wanted it I would bake it for the twerps because the little greed heads are cruising for a lawsuit anyway


43 posted on 06/23/2013 2:14:45 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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Brothers and sisters, the time is coming when we may actually have to suffer for the faith. Christians have had it very easy in this country until now. We may have to put some skin in the game. “A religion now worth dying for, is not a religion worth living for.” We may have to endure government persecution with acts of civil disobedience as the martyrs did in early Christianity. Most of all refrain from violence. We are not Muslims.


45 posted on 06/23/2013 2:22:48 PM PDT by Nemoque
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Well, Paula Dern just ‘lost’ her job with one of the reasons being she was planning or had planned a wedding on a plantation ala 1800’s and she had planned on being periodical.
The much ballyhooed “Slave Museum” in Fredricksburg VA was told it couldn’t have ‘slave quarters’ or depict ‘slave auctions’. They had so many ‘restrictions’ thrown on them that it finally went bankrupt. AND Blacks were running it. (Former Gov Wilder).

Imagine if I went into a Black bakery(?) and ordered a cake with a ‘Tom Sawyer’ theme, don’t even think ‘Tar Baby’ or any ‘Uncle Remus’ themes....

They have got it so that if, in the work place, you compliment a woman on her hairdo, dress or demeanor you may be charged with Sexual Harassment - you know, because he said it ‘that’ way.

If you say nothing other than the good morning or goodbye in the evening, they can charge you with running an unfriendly, hostile work place.

The WHINERS have won and Bizzarro World is firmly entrenched.


47 posted on 06/23/2013 2:34:20 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Inside every 'older' man there is a 'younger' man wondering "WTF happened")
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how about quoting a very high price (assuming that the prices are not published already and fixed), then outsource the baking to another bakery that is homo-friendly.


51 posted on 06/23/2013 2:44:35 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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Jail.
Thought crime.

Welcome to the USA, 2013.


56 posted on 06/23/2013 2:57:14 PM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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It should be crystal-clear by now that it is the deviants who are the bullies.
58 posted on 06/23/2013 3:03:32 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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The Gestapobama strikes.


60 posted on 06/23/2013 3:15:10 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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As a baker I would do the cake.... but since each cake is separately priced, they would be charged way over double. I would also inform them that I would be seriously praying over the cake and the wedding, and asking the Holy Spirit to be in attendance and to convict all the people there of their sin.

But I would be happy to take their money.... paid in full before the date was booked.


63 posted on 06/23/2013 3:32:30 PM PDT by Grammy (He frustrates the devices of the crafty, so that they cannot carry out their plans. Job 5:12)
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In an America that has Barack Obama as President and Eric Holder running Justice the answer is YES............
This is no longer our parents America and it sure as Hell is not the America our Founders gave us.............


66 posted on 06/23/2013 3:48:09 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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if you cannot refuse service, you are no more then a slave doing the bidding of others


69 posted on 06/23/2013 4:48:46 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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“We are all entitled to our religious beliefs and we fight for that. But someone’s personal religious beliefs don’t justify breaking the law by discriminating against others in the public sphere,” Mark Silverstein, who directs the ACLU in Colorado, said in an interview with the AP.

In other words, local ordinances trump the First Amemdment. Keep your ***** religion in your mind!

73 posted on 06/23/2013 5:40:44 PM PDT by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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If you are a white cabbie in Boston, and a black asks to be driven to Roxbury, you can refuse as long as you give up your front line spot and move to the back of the line. The black can continue with the next in line cabbie.

I've read about Muslim cabbies refusing to provide rides to blind people with dogs or people transporting alcohol because of their religions beliefs. I believe they too have that right but have to give up their front of the line spot.

So, did the homosexuals try any other bakers after the first refused?

75 posted on 06/23/2013 5:56:02 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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In my opinion, they have and still have a right to refuse service to the homosexuals. Of course to cut down on persecution from the P.C. folks, play the game of ‘well sure....’ but then at the last possible minute, make up some story such as something doesn’t work in the backroom and offer to fully refund the money and hopefully be done with them for this year. Hopefully next year, they will remember how it got ****ed up and go to a different place to bother.


76 posted on 06/23/2013 6:23:11 PM PDT by CORedneck
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Since the baker runs a PRIVATE business that I assume does not cross state line the feds have no say.

(that whole interstate commerce thing....)


79 posted on 06/27/2013 9:59:20 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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