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Spat between Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin over German treasure
The Telegraph ^ | 6-21-13

Posted on 06/21/2013 1:21:10 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

A dispute over ancient German treasure looted by Soviet troops at the end of the Second World War has overshadowed a visit by Angela Merkel to Russia.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: germany; godsgravesglyphs; gold; hermitage; merkl; putin; reparations; russia; stalinthethief; treasure; trojanwar; war
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1 posted on 06/21/2013 1:21:10 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic; SunkenCiv

I don’t know exactly how old this treasure is, but it might fit your guidelines. It was discovered in Berlin in 1913.


2 posted on 06/21/2013 1:24:35 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Did he steal her NFL ring?


3 posted on 06/21/2013 1:26:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Close.


4 posted on 06/21/2013 1:26:41 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
So did the Soviets loot the treasures from the ancient German city of Troy?
5 posted on 06/21/2013 1:29:09 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: KarlInOhio

FTA:

Spat between Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin over German treasure
A dispute over ancient German treasure looted by Soviet troops at the end of the Second World War has overshadowed a visit by Angela Merkel to Russia.

FTA: One of the highlights of the exhibition is a hoard of 81 ancient gold pieces including plates, rings and ornate bowls that has not been seen in public since the end of the war.

The Eberswalde Hoard, discovered during an excavation of north-east of Berlin in 1913, was removed from a museum in the German capital by Soviet troops and transported to Moscow as war booty.


6 posted on 06/21/2013 1:31:40 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sorry. The Soviets won. It is legitimate spoils of war - and it costs me to say that for Commies!


7 posted on 06/21/2013 1:32:33 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Don’t lose a war. That simple.


8 posted on 06/21/2013 1:32:58 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: afraidfortherepublic

9 posted on 06/21/2013 1:36:24 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Theoria
Don’t lose a war. That simple.

Especially don't start a war, loot a hell of a lot of art treasures from your victims and then lose. It makes it very hard to play the victim card when it is so blood stained.

10 posted on 06/21/2013 1:37:22 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: KarlInOhio

When does Italy get the Mona Lisa back from France?


11 posted on 06/21/2013 1:40:32 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Not that I’m any Putin fan, but looting took place on both sides. His response to Merkel should have been, “Sure. You return the Amber Room and we’ll return the Eberswalde Hoard.”


12 posted on 06/21/2013 1:40:58 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Little Ray

Call it reparations. This is small change of the cost to the Soviet Union for the damage done by the Germans during the invasion and occupation of the USSR.


13 posted on 06/21/2013 1:43:13 PM PDT by henkster (The 0bama regime isn't a train wreck, it's a B 17 raid on the rail yard.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Frau Merkel, considering what the Germans did to the Russian people between 1941 and 43, and even counting the vengeance meted out in 1945, you’ve got little or no basis for complaint. It sucks to start a war and lose.


14 posted on 06/21/2013 1:44:17 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: massgopguy
When does Italy get the Mona Lisa back from France?

I just checked Wikipedia (yes, I know the warnings) and it claims that Leonardo took it with him to France, willed it to his pupil and assistant Salaì who then sold it to the king of France. That looks like a clear line of ownership with no looting involved.

15 posted on 06/21/2013 1:46:37 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: KarlInOhio; SunkenCiv

Bronze Age

16 posted on 06/21/2013 1:46:46 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You can take the boy out of the KGB,but you can't take the KGB out of the boy.

17 posted on 06/21/2013 1:46:47 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; martin_fierro; Charles Henrickson

Ich bin ein Purloiner


18 posted on 06/21/2013 1:47:15 PM PDT by mikrofon (Ich bin ein Tagliner)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Has all the art looted by the Nazis been returned? However, not to blame Merkel for that.


19 posted on 06/21/2013 1:54:05 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: 0.E.O

The Germans did way more than their share of looting during the war.

If you ever see the movie “Come and See”, you’ll realize that the Germans got off very lightly, all things considered.


20 posted on 06/21/2013 1:56:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mikrofon

Good one!


21 posted on 06/21/2013 1:58:59 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: afraidfortherepublic
amber room photo: Amber_room_1 Amber_room_1.jpg

Return the Amber Room to Russia and maybe they'll comply.

22 posted on 06/21/2013 2:00:05 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: KarlInOhio
It makes it very hard to play the victim card when it is so blood stained.

Yeah, the Germans are not going to get a lot of sympathy from the rest of the world on that. And Stalin knew it well. As far as he was concerned, they were owed. I can't say I blame him, and defending old, bloodthirsty commies pains me to the core.

23 posted on 06/21/2013 2:01:37 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She should be careful...he could kill her with that ring.


24 posted on 06/21/2013 2:02:41 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

And when you saw how German minorities acted up in Czechoslovakia and Poland before the war, it certainly made it hard to garner any sympathy for them after they were expelled from those countries after the war.


25 posted on 06/21/2013 2:04:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: afraidfortherepublic

If ya want to keep your booty, ya got to win the war.


26 posted on 06/21/2013 2:04:31 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 0.E.O
His response to Merkel should have been, “Sure. You return the Amber Room and we’ll return the Eberswalde Hoard.”

The most accepted theory is that the Red Army destroyed the Amber Room inadvertently in the fires that raged in the seizure of Konigsberg.

27 posted on 06/21/2013 2:09:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Snickering Hound

Wow!


28 posted on 06/21/2013 2:10:29 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: dfwgator

True enough. You could say that about just about any European ethnics. I can’t think of any to whom I’d hand a straight-razor, then turn my back. British, maybe, but one can say they’re not really Europe, and one can also say they’re not really British anymore either....


29 posted on 06/21/2013 2:14:08 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It would seem that the spoils go to the victor. It would be like Israel giving back the Golan Heights as a moral equivalent. No way, no how.


30 posted on 06/21/2013 2:15:09 PM PDT by By and By (Dime Store New Dealers are Milquetoast and Liberal)
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To: Theoria
Don’t lose a war. That simple.

Speaking of which, there's a few European cathedrals that the Catholics would like back.

31 posted on 06/21/2013 2:18:51 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: KarlInOhio

No, but Schliemann, the German archeologist working the Troy
site circa 1870s, did. Much was shipped to Berlin.


32 posted on 06/21/2013 2:28:53 PM PDT by jamaksin
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To: dfwgator

“German minorities acted up in Czechoslovakia and Poland”

Be careful there. Germans were not the minority in all those places, and had been living there just as long as the Poles.


33 posted on 06/21/2013 2:31:27 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

And nobody knows more about looted treasure than the Germans.


34 posted on 06/21/2013 2:31:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Hitler had agent provocateurs in those countries to advocate separation from the host countries.


35 posted on 06/21/2013 2:32:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

There were folks living there that had lived there for centuries in Germany. Are you saying folks that lived in Koenigsberg were ‘agents provocateurs?


36 posted on 06/21/2013 2:39:48 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL, I was going to post that while she’s at it she should get the ring back.


37 posted on 06/21/2013 2:41:31 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: JCBreckenridge

Koeningsberg was a part of the Reich before Hitler took over, unlike the Sudetenland and Silesia, which belonged to Czechoslovakia and Poland respectively.


38 posted on 06/21/2013 2:44:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

What happened to the Germans in Koenigsberg?


39 posted on 06/21/2013 2:49:54 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: JCBreckenridge

They were expelled of course....look I am not necessarily saying it was fair....but War is Hell, especially when you start one and lose.


40 posted on 06/21/2013 2:50:57 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“Silesia”

Silesia was German. Breslau too.


41 posted on 06/21/2013 2:52:33 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Wroclaw was a part of Piast Poland way back in the 10th Century.


42 posted on 06/21/2013 2:56:01 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

So they weren’t part of the ‘host countries’, at least not of Poland.

I am not excusing them for what they did do - but lets get it right. Silesia and East Prussia were not Polish territory, and certainly not Russian territory.

Russia still has an exclave today. Why has that not been returned to Germany or permitted to govern itself like the other Baltic States?


43 posted on 06/21/2013 2:56:55 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: dfwgator

So if you’re saying, “don’t lose a war”, and “losing a war means you lose the territory forever”, then it wasn’t Polish anymore then was it?


44 posted on 06/21/2013 2:58:17 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The Sword and Shield of the Party.

Is that NSA or DHS now.


45 posted on 06/21/2013 2:59:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: dfwgator

What about your concern for Brest, etc? There’s a reason why Russia wanted to keep the Polish territory they stole and take German territory at the same time.

Russia should return the Eastern Polish territory that they stole from Poland.


46 posted on 06/21/2013 2:59:37 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Much of those "German" lands were stolen from Poland in 1795.

47 posted on 06/21/2013 3:00:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JCBreckenridge

Look, the lands changed hands many times over the centuries, if you are going to keep fighting those old battles, you’ll never get anywhere.

This is one case where “ethnic cleansing” was a good thing. As harsh as it was, it kept the old conflicts from rising up again in Europe.


48 posted on 06/21/2013 3:02:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: colorado tanker
The most accepted theory is that the Red Army destroyed the Amber Room inadvertently in the fires that raged in the seizure of Konigsberg.

Admittedly nobody knows for sure. But my real point is that Merkel is the last person to be complaining to others about looting national treasures.

49 posted on 06/21/2013 3:03:14 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: JCBreckenridge

No Poles are interested in that, they know Lwow and Wilno will never be Polish again. They’ve moved on.


50 posted on 06/21/2013 3:04:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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