Skip to comments.Revealed: the top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant
Posted on 06/20/2013 3:22:58 PM PDT by SE Mom
Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.
The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.
The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
Just popped up on Drudge
FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court )
That says it all !!
"Inadvertently"...that's like "Unexpected"
We have not so secret rules that govern our country.
We call it the Constitution
Why is Eric Holder signing off on these documents?
If it is an NSA program, why is the Attorney General involved?
Shouldn’t this be under the direction of Homeland Security?
And further it says:
However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:
Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;
Retain and make use of “inadvertently acquired” domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;
Preserve “foreign intelligence information” contained within attorney-client communications;
Access the content of communications gathered from “U.S. based machine[s]” or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance
I’m sorry, the Constitution and Bill of Rights have not been amended! That is what it would take to allow warrantless searches! Whatever “law” was passed to allow such a thing is completely invalid as those that passed it had not the authority to do so.
” Access the content of communications gathered from “U.S. based machine[s]” or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.”
That is really interesting, especially in light of this paraphrase:
“Oh, no, we are not listening to conversations.” - Barak Obama.
Lie on top of lie on top of lie on top of lie......
Won't be long now.
Well see, it’s a secret program signed off on by secret judges. What could go wrong? !
Surprise!!!! FISA courts are are a rubberstamp!
Are we still wondering if Snowden is a hero or traitor?
What a relief. I was worried that it wouldn’t be narrowly focused...
He’s a traitor. Had he gone to the Intelligence Committees first, then Congress as a whole, then to US media, no one would say anything bad about him.
I seem to recall a certain revulsion against general warrants back in the 1775-1789 time period....
This is prep for the embarrassing conversations that will be released shortly. Those conversations will prove that they didn’t even follow these loose standards and that they store content.
Heres the kicker:
Even if upon examination a communication is found to be domestic entirely within the US the NSA can appeal to its director to keep what it has found if it contains “significant foreign intelligence information”, “evidence of a crime”, “technical data base information” (such as encrypted communications), or “information pertaining to a threat of serious harm to life or property”
Or James Rosen...or AP...or.
Every phone call in the US is recorded and "electronically" vacuumed for keywords.
Shortened... EVERY PHONE CALL BY CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES IS RECORDED.
If he went to “intelligence” with his concerns, he'd be immediately cut off and investigated. Every single keystroke and communication analyzed. Then one of two things would happen:
1. If it was found that he took documents home, he'd be prosecuted immediately, silenced and not have the chance to tell anyone else. Anyone he communicated with after downloading the documents would be investigated.
2. If they found he took no documents, he'd be quickly fired and the government would deny anything he claims. Just another “internet conspiracy theorist” with no proof
He should have taken the documents for corroboration.
Yep, he would have gone to jail for possessing classified info at home. But, he would have stood a good chance of getting a pardon for whistleblowing.
You don’t take your country’s secrets to a foreign government or media outlet.
I believe him to be a hero.... and honestly I think if he had said anything to anyone he would be dead
Yeah, it makes me laugh when I hear somebody say, “but a judge must sign off on it”. So one government agency tells me to “trust” them by pointing to another government agency! Oh...no problem then ;)
“Hes a traitor”
From where I sit, he did nothing to help our enemies, only to help the citizens of the U.S., and we should not be considered the enemy.
Any collateral help to the enemy is far less than the welfare programs that helped the Boston bombers...
I have a hunch this stuff is just going to keep on coming for awhile, until our leaders are utterly discredited.
“oh yeah, That. But we didn’t go any further than that.....”
....and then they are shown to be lying again.
Because part of Holder's job is to give legal advice to the administration. ....You're right, it's stoopid "advice."
NOTE the term: "CONTENT"
The requests sent to FISA are all sign by DOJ / Holden If they rubber stamp or can be shopped count on Holden to do so or use any lie he has to to get his way!
The system only works if ALL are honorable. Holden has proven time and again he is not.
So even in July 2009, Obama’s administration was using the term “US person.” I guess one’s citizenship means nothing to a globalist.
FBI issue, and FBI is under Holder.
Anyone wanting on or off this ping list, please advise. Thanks.
“You dont take your countrys secrets to a foreign government or media outlet.”
That is the safest thing to do when the secrets are so outrageous and politically damaging. Our media is completely in the tank for the fascists, if you haven't noticed. Many news stories huge in the foreign press are completely missing here. I'll bet every single piece of “news” that goes on the air is reviewed by at least 1 alphabet agency.
IMO, the bastards were ‘this’ close to turning the key on irreversible tyranny. The recent whistleblowers may have turned the tide. People got to see examples of tyranny first hand and many stopped doubting the true purpose of the 2nd Amendment. Snowden got EVERYONE to wake up...at least for now
You get the documentation needed to corroborate your claims.
You go to a lawyer and set up terms of release. If x-y-z happens and I am arrested and held incommunicado, release a-b-c documents to all 535 congressmen. Media is told that they will receive documents if Congress does not go public.
You then go to the Intelligence Committees and tell them that laws are being broken and explain the setup, without telling them who the lawyers and media members are. You don’t want to break the law, but the civil liberties of all Americans are being broken by illegal actions.
You can’t go to foreign governments or foreign media. That is traitorous. A bad as the mess is, it is a United States mess.
In the end, if you fell strongly enough about it, I guess you will do the time.
Just occurred to me what the real reason is why the preezy wants to make sure everyone in the country has a phone, and it has nothing to do with altruism.
---the following from a comment of mine on another thread...
The thing is, some anonymous person/s could start publishing stuff on the internet claiming they had access to the NSA database.
The only way to disprove it would be to allow access to the real database. (even so, the NSA data could be altered..thus no way to ever be certain)
Phone call audio would be the most explosive data to publish. This audio can be gathered in many ways. The NSA would be fingered as the guilty party who originally gathered it since their reputation is totally shot.
You know.... using companies like “Carbonite”... or “Lifelock”.... ultimately this just makes it easier for the Government to get what they want. I mean like with carbonite... they backup everyone’s computers. They can’t tell the NSA no.
I guess if I rob a bank and inadvertently take more than I intended, say $5 mil instead of $1 mil, then I get to make use of the $4 mil? What a sweet deal!
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
He would have been silenced. No doubt about it.
Are you ore bugged about the messenger, or what he revealed?
“We have not so secret rules that govern our country. We call it the Constitution”
Boy, that takes me back. Those were great days, weren’t they?
Our enemies cannot be so stupid that they don’t already know we listen to them.
10% mad that he broke his oath of secrecy. 90% enraged that the government has gone WAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond what has been publicly said.
We’ve been lied to by the government. BADLY.