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To: Smokin' Joe

Some wag came up with the jelly donut jibe well after the speech. “Berliner” was in fact a correct German construct for “citizen of Berlin.” That would be like poking fun at a foreign dignitary who spoke of Manhattan because Manhattan is also a kind of cocktail.


9 posted on 06/19/2013 12:13:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
IIRC, a "Berliner" was a cream filled donut in popular parlance at the time there, too.

Sure, it was a gibe, we all know what Kennedy meant, and that he was trying to push a sense of solidarity with the people of West Berlin.

12 posted on 06/19/2013 12:21:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Some wag came up with the jelly donut jibe well after the speech."

Not true at all. If you say: "I am Danish", everyone knows you are a person from Denmark. If you say "I am a Danish", everyone knows that you are calling yourself a sugar coated breakfast roll.

In German, it's even more important to avoid the "ein" in "Ich bin ein Berliner". "Berliner" is indeed, one who was born in Berlin. "Ein Berliner" is just as certainly a Jelly Doughnut. "Ich bin Hamburger" tells us that you were born in Hamburg. "I am a hamburger" says......... Well, you figure it out.

28 posted on 06/19/2013 3:39:16 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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