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NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants
cnet ^ | June 15, 2013 4:39 PM PDT | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 06/15/2013 4:52:01 PM PDT by tje

The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."

If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

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This government needs to be reined in.
1 posted on 06/15/2013 4:52:01 PM PDT by tje
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To: tje

fri pm release?


2 posted on 06/15/2013 4:54:15 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: tje
This government needs to be reined in.

I don't mean to seem contrary, tje, but have a hunch it's too late for reins. I suspect the only sensible solution is for the states that wish to remain American to secede, reassert our original Constitution, and let the remainder continue to degenerate into so-called "progressive" hell holes.

3 posted on 06/15/2013 4:56:28 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: maggief; thouworm; penelopesire; Nachum; null and void; SE Mom; MestaMachine; kristinn; ...

Guess this confirms Snowden statement !


4 posted on 06/15/2013 4:58:19 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: tje

At least the communist Nadler (my rep) is good for something.


5 posted on 06/15/2013 5:01:15 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: schm0e

This came out late this afternoon. Will the MSM pick this up? I doubt it. This is way beyond ‘meta data’ and they don’t even think they need justification to listen in or read your email.


6 posted on 06/15/2013 5:01:36 PM PDT by tje
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Comment #7 Removed by Moderator

Parody:

If HHS wants "to read your health records," a bureaucrat's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

Maybe he should read what's in the bill before voting to pass the bill.

8 posted on 06/15/2013 5:02:14 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Standing Wolf; tje
>>This government needs to be reined in.
>
> I don't mean to seem contrary, tje, but have a hunch it's too late for reins. I suspect the only sensible solution is for the states that wish to remain American to secede, reassert our original Constitution, and let the remainder continue to degenerate into so-called "progressive" hell holes.

There is one other thing we can do, fight dirty: like this.

9 posted on 06/15/2013 5:02:50 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: tje

“Startled” is a far cry from doing anything about it. “Startled” could simply be that progress toward the goal has been so rapid.


10 posted on 06/15/2013 5:02:58 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Standing Wolf

I think your probably correct. But I don’t see any public officials in any state with the balls to do anything.


11 posted on 06/15/2013 5:07:53 PM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: tje

“Startled” should lead to jail time for the Chicago thugs involved.


12 posted on 06/15/2013 5:08:00 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: tje

Some other informational releases from Herr Nadler.

“The Republicans chose to hold their convention here, I think most of us believe, to continue the political exploitation of 9/11, which this administration started almost immediately after 9/11,”

On the Republicans holding their Convention in NYC

A woman has a constitutional right to choose to terminate her pregnancy before the fetus is viable, ... A prohibition on the exercise of that rite is per se unconstitutional

It only takes political courage because the NRA makes people toe the line against the majority view of the country. It’s time the majority stood up and said enough already. And the majority should have a motive because any of us could be a victim tomorrow

Today, thousands of committed same-sex couples are needlessly suffering because of unequal treatment under our immigration laws, and this is an outrage, ... Any serious legislative proposal for comprehensive immigration reform absolutely must include gay and lesbian couples and their families.


13 posted on 06/15/2013 5:10:09 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: tje


14 posted on 06/15/2013 5:10:10 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: tje
They over charged us again.


15 posted on 06/15/2013 5:10:19 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Henry Hnyellar

And this:

“[W]e have a lobby, the leadership of the NRA, who function as enablers of mass murder. And that’s what they are. They’re enablers of mass murder, because they terrify the class of political people.”


16 posted on 06/15/2013 5:11:12 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: tje

If a terrorist event were in progress, and the NSA were requested by a law enforcement agency to provide real time information to help avoid a terrorist attack, I would be willing to allow after the fact documentation to justify it.

That’s not what we’re talking about today though.

We’re talking about all encompassing listening and recording as if God granted them the right to know our every thought.

Nope. He didn’t.


17 posted on 06/15/2013 5:11:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: tje

Remember how out of their minds mad liberals were at Bush because he was “shredding the Constitution” with his “warrant less wiretaps”?


18 posted on 06/15/2013 5:13:24 PM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: schm0e

I sent it out via Tweet, and will continue to do so, until it catches. I have seen far less meaningful tweets repeated until I finally unfollowed the user, rueful smile.

Dear Lord, please, guide our course.
Tatt


19 posted on 06/15/2013 5:13:38 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: tje

When will I get to listen to Baraq Ubama’s phone/Blackberry conversations simply because I decide to?


20 posted on 06/15/2013 5:16:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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To: tje

How close are we to the point where the risks of a Constitutional Convention outweigh the risks posed by the trajectory the federal government is presently on.

This may be the last peaceful option we have.

But the outrages in this article are not the only dangers to liberty. The greatest danger is that government is imposing debt serfdom on everyone in its grasp. That is made possible by the lack of limits on spending, borrowing and money-printing. Being able to create money out of thin air enables government to be far bigger than it otherwise could be if it had to balance its budget with tax receipts alone. So, the monetary profligacy we have in many ways is the foundation for many of these tyrannous actions.

A Convention is the only way to solve all these problems.


21 posted on 06/15/2013 5:17:11 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Responding to my HHS parody, why are our private health records not as important as our private phone calls?


22 posted on 06/15/2013 5:18:52 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: tje; P-Marlowe; SoConPubbie; SoFloFreeper; Jim Robinson
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."

If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney who serves on the House Judiciary committee.

As many have suspected, this revelation by Nadler strongly suggests that the NSA "records" all content and some of what they recorded they "listen" to.

The impression most have is that they "tap" a phone and listen live to an ongoing conversation. I do not think that is the case. I think they have ALL content on file and simply have to decide which calls to pull out of storage if they wish to listen to them.

BTW, Nadler revealed a "secret briefing". Fox is running wild with their accusations that Snowden's is another Benedict Arnold, led by Karl Rove.

Does this mean Nadler is Benedict Nadler?

This is a terrible time, and we will find a way to unite and kill this, or this nation will slide more quickly toward tyranny. No one is without sin or mistake, sinners can be blackmailed or ridiculed (Alinsky), and the government has shown it is willing to use its access to data for political purposes.

And it is collecting content. I'm convinced.

23 posted on 06/15/2013 5:23:26 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

And it is collecting content. I’m convinced.

Cuz Nadler said so? If Nadler commented on anything else, you would reject it out of hand because he is a nutjob leftie. But her you are going to blindly believe him?

Wow. So much for intelligent, thinking conservatives.


24 posted on 06/15/2013 5:27:27 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: tje

The head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, didn’t even know about this (or he was lying). From the article:

.................””Rep. Nadler’s disclosure that NSA analysts can listen to calls without court orders came during a House Judiciary hearing on Thursday that included FBI director Robert Mueller as a witness.

Mueller initially sought to downplay concerns about NSA surveillance by claiming that, to listen to a phone call, the government would need to seek “a special, a particularized order from the FISA court directed at that particular phone of that particular individual.”

Is information about that procedure “classified in any way,” Nadler asked.

“I don’t think so,” Mueller replied.

“Then I can say the following,” Nadler said. “We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that... In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there’s a conflict.” ....................


25 posted on 06/15/2013 5:29:07 PM PDT by Girlene
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Guess this confirms Snowden statement !

If anyone doubted.

26 posted on 06/15/2013 5:30:15 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: tje
Thank you for the post.

Senator Hatch was on Fox earlier implying proudly that oh, it's no big deal. He said, “we (the NSA) have been doing this for a long time. He even was asked if this snooping without a warrant hurts the 4th Amendment. Hatch replied, “absolutely not.” He said he knew all about this dragnet of data. Blatant abuse of their oath of office.

27 posted on 06/15/2013 5:30:38 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: oblomov
At least the communist Nadler (my rep) is good for something.

Lucky you.

(s) nully, from the land of Boxer, Feinstein and Pleosi

28 posted on 06/15/2013 5:31:49 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: tje

So Mr. Snowden wasn’t bragging when he said he could listen in on anyone? So what else is true?


29 posted on 06/15/2013 5:32:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Henry Hnyellar; P-Marlowe

Nadler is simply another confirmation since this first hit the airwaves.

I do appreciate your ad hominem approach, though. I want to commend you on your skill with it. You haven’t laid it on so thick that it’s obvious. Nor is it so subtle that it’s ineffective.

Just for laughs, perhaps you might reveal why the NSA would need to “mine” what the phone companies already can tell you from their records: who called whom, from where, the numbers, the duration, and even the per minute cost. :>)


30 posted on 06/15/2013 5:33:48 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: tje

I am sorry to say but unless otherwise stated in law,
the Constitutional provision against “unreasonable” searches does not - simply by a reasonable vs unreasonable standard - mandate “a warrant” - again, unless otherwise stated in law

did the Patriot act open up the FISA court standard

or, is what the NSA folks saying actually unchanged since b4 the Patriot Act

I myself don’t know for sure


31 posted on 06/15/2013 5:35:35 PM PDT by Wuli (qu)
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To: tje

People who feel compelled to share every detail of their lives on Facebook and Twitter should have no problem with any of this.


32 posted on 06/15/2013 5:36:38 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: tje

This makes Dear Leader’s statements in his presser of Friday 06/14 to be nothing but lies, when he said that the government is neither recording nor listening to the content of conversations.

Just one more instance and proof that he lies to the American people. Bill Clinton was a piker compared to Obama.


33 posted on 06/15/2013 5:36:42 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More
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To: xzins
The impression most have is that they "tap" a phone and listen live to an ongoing conversation. I do not think that is the case. I think they have ALL content on file and simply have to decide which calls to pull out of storage if they wish to listen to them.<

It's unclear whether they have the actual content stored or not....but if it's possible to store all these conversation, I would guarantee they have it.

Didn't Feinstein say last week, after the leak, that they are only storing "metadata"?
34 posted on 06/15/2013 5:37:01 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; opentalk; ..

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

Also, follow OneWingedShark's link.

35 posted on 06/15/2013 5:37:25 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: xzins

If you think it’s ad homimen than you are truly lost. I am in no way defending the current situation, so don’t presume to speak for me. My point is using Nadler to make your point is flawed. That’s it.

When you hitch your wagon to the likes of Nadler you’ve lost me. Call it what you will.


36 posted on 06/15/2013 5:37:28 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Standing Wolf

Let us go back to Janet Napalotano’s remarks saying the “Christian, anti-evolution, anti-government types” are the biggest threat to this country. How long will it be before they are charged to listen to those deemed more dangerous than al Quaeda? Hate-speech is what they consider diangerous....so who is next to be targeted. Any future law the democrats pass may be used as the pretext to PURGE those the democrats and RINO’s do not like. It sounds trite, but this is truely 1984.


37 posted on 06/15/2013 5:40:55 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (')
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To: Henry Hnyellar; Girlene
You might want to read your post again and then look up the definition of "ad hominem".


38 posted on 06/15/2013 5:41:23 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Clean_Sweep

I think your probably correct. But I don’t see any public officials in any state with the balls to do anything.


I think anyone who initiated anything would not live long, or at least, be threatened with death.

They can make noises but don’t dare cross the line.

Sites like FR, conservative talk radio and much more will probably be gone within a few years.


39 posted on 06/15/2013 5:43:20 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: tje
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed “simply based on an analyst deciding that.”

WTFrick!

I thought Snowden was a little lying twerp? Funny who they can snoop on US citizens but can't find an illegal alien. We citizens are damn stupid for putting up with this.

40 posted on 06/15/2013 5:45:31 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: tje; All

Secret warrants with secret judges with secret decisions.

Exactly what the Founders intended/s

Anyone involved in protecting this system will never get my vote again. The entire system needs to be scrapped as it is criminal.....they are listening to phone calls of Average Americans in the name of terrorism yet will not do the same to mosques, where the terror emanates.

It’s like living in the Twilight Zone at this point.


41 posted on 06/15/2013 5:47:15 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tje

Shut these fascist bastards down!!


42 posted on 06/15/2013 5:47:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: tje
The only Traitors are those in government involved with this system.
43 posted on 06/15/2013 5:49:08 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: xzins

Sure thing. You are hitching your wagon to Nadler a known liar and left winger. So how is that a PERSONAL attack on you.

And now you do it again by quoting Maxine Waters. Your sources are impecable.

Let’s cut the crap. You do not know for a certain what NSA is doing. You only know what you’ve read. If you wish to believe a certain way fine. Just don’t try to pass it off here as the truth. And don’t try to smear anyone who disagrees with your belief or your rush to judgement on minimal info and suspect sources.


44 posted on 06/15/2013 5:49:32 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Wuli
"I am sorry to say but unless otherwise stated in law, the Constitutional provision against “unreasonable” searches does not - simply by a reasonable vs unreasonable standard - mandate “a warrant” - again, unless otherwise stated in law"

That doesn't track with my reading of the constitution, please explain...

45 posted on 06/15/2013 5:49:53 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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To: Henry Hnyellar
That is an ad hominem. The total basis for your argument is the person, Nadler.

That is the definition of ad hominem "to the person".

46 posted on 06/15/2013 5:52:09 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of opression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Girlene; xzins
Didn't Feinstein say last week, after the leak, that they are only storing "metadata"?

Unless you are using an old rotary dial analog phone, every kind of electronic communication is "data". Phone conversations are changed from analog to digital before they leave your phone. When it is recorded it is recorded as "data".

They are not only picking up every call on their servers, but they are storing every conversation as "data".

They have the capability of storing every electronic conversation. That is why they are building that huge data storehouse in Utah.

George Orwell had no idea that when Big Brother took over he could not only listen to conversations in real time, but go back years and pick up conversations that you have long ago forgotten you even had.

47 posted on 06/15/2013 5:52:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Henry Hnyellar; P-Marlowe; Girlene

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

Go to the above article for some sorely missing background.

Also, I’d recommend a good dictionary regarding “ad hominem”. You haven’t really figured it out yet.


48 posted on 06/15/2013 5:55:35 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: tje
This government needs to be reined in.

NSA is just another a huge Federal jobs creation program plus its numerous contractors love it too. There must be lots of kickback and bribes being doled out to Federal employees. Of course NSA mission is expanding into spying/collating information on Americans. Got to keep them NSA employees busy with make work. I wonder how many useless eater affirmative action and LGBT employees are on the payroll?

Sure NSA has a legitimate mission but they have exceeded it all for expanding a bureaucratic empire and pressure from contractors who want in on the money bonanza paid for by the taxpayers and the funny money created by the Federal Reserve out of thin air. It is always party time in DC and the NSA doesn't want to be left out. Les Bon Temps Rouler!

49 posted on 06/15/2013 5:56:35 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: P-Marlowe; Girlene

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

You MUST read this article about the Utah Data Center.


50 posted on 06/15/2013 5:56:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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