Skip to comments.'Gang of Eight' Members Angry with Rubio Over Border Security Amendments?
Posted on 06/15/2013 9:56:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
What to make of this? I'll raise a few theories below, but here's the Washington Post's Greg Sargent on supposed internal conflict within the 'Gang of Eight:'
Republican and Democratic senators in the gang of eight immigration reform group gave Marco Rubio an earful at a private meeting this week, telling him they were frustrated with his public embrace of overly conservative border security measures and his failure to adequately communicate with them over strategy, which they said was putting reform at risk, Im told. The details of the private meeting on Wednesday which were shared with me by a source familiar with the episode shed new light on the delicate behind the scenes strategic calculations the gang of eight is making as it seeks to navigate its proposal past conservative opposition through the Senate. The meeting hints at the true nature of the collective kabuki that the gang of eight is engaged in as it seeks to create just enough space to the right for Republicans to embrace the bill without moving it so far to the right that it alienates Democrats. Publicly, Senators have mostly remained mum as Rubio has flirted with conservative demands for more border security. But in the private meeting, Republican and Democratic senators in the gang of eight expressed frustration with Rubio over the manner in which he publicly embraced the John Cornyn amendment, which mandates hard border security triggers as a precondition for citizenship in a manner Dems find unacceptable, the source tells me...As feared, uncommitted Republican Senators are beginning to clamber aboard the Cornyn hard trigger express.
Like Allahpundit, I'm deeply skeptical that Rubio has actually run afoul of fellow 'gang' members by endorsing John Cornyn's stricter border enforcement provisions, which Rubio reportedly helped draft in private -- though Cornyn's office disputes that claim. Sargent is right to confine "hard trigger" to quotation marks because although that amendment is an improvement over the bill's status quo, the notion that it's a draconian non-starter for Democrats is absurd. I heard initial buzz from sources close to the gang of eight's inner workings that Chuck Schumer was prepared to accept Cornyn's plan. I openly wondered why on earth the New York Senator wouldn't at least feign initial opposition to the proposal, only to "cave" later and give conservatives a "win." That's how this sort of kabuki works. Sure enough, within a day or two, Harry Reid was tearing into the Cornyn amendment as a "poison pill," or whatever. John McCain and Lindsey Graham have used similar language, surprising nobody. (Again, go back and read what Cornyn has proposed. It's not even remotely "harsh" or unreasonable). I presumed this was all pure theater, but then Rubio pivoted to co-authoring yet another amendment with Tom Coburn, which will almost certainly water down the already watered-down Cornyn enforcement package. Remember, the only plan that would have required genuine security triggers before the government grants provisional legalization to millions died on the Senate floor last week.
The Rubio/Coburn development has me rethinking some previous assumptions. Maybe the Left flank really doesn't intend to eventually relent on the Cornyn amendment. Maybe the kabuki is actually happening on the Right, where conservatives are offering up stronger enforcement paradigms to assuage the base, knowing full well that the Senate will never adopt anything that even approaches a serious improvement. And perhaps the Left is getting a little greedy. They might have concluded that (a) Republicans like McCain and Graham are giving them sufficient political cover to reject any idea that treads beyond illusory baby steps, and (b) Rubio's become too invested in the outcome to walk away now. They might be right on both counts. In any case, all of this maneuvering on behalf of "amnesty" must be corroding Rubio's standing among Republicans nationally, right? Wrong:
Rubio clocks in at a whopping +47 favorable rating among Republicans, second only to Mitt Romney's running mate and House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan -- who also happens to support a big bipartisan compromise on immigration reform. Be sure to note Chris Christie's numbers; he's at the bottom of that pile, but still registers a healthy +28 favorability mark among Republicans. Among all adults, including Republicans, Democrats and Independents, guess who sails to the front of the class? That's why I suspect AP is right when it comes to Rubio's potential for rehabilitation among those who are currently livid at him for basically spearheading the Gang of Eight effort:
If he hangs in there and the bill passes, hell get all sorts of media love as the new leader of the GOP, a man who makes things happen in Washington, blah blah. You and I will pound the table and swear that well never, ever vote for him in 2016, and that might be true for awhile. But strange things happen. What if Christie emerges as a real threat to take the nomination with moderate support? Suddenly Rubio becomes the lesser of two evils, a guy whos much more conservative than Christie on balance, who has a pretty good record if you exclude the whole terrible immigration bill thing, whos darned electable against Hillary and isnt that whats really important? Well talk ourselves into it and Rubio knows it. And then, once hes the nominee, any righty who threatens to stay home in protest of his embarrassing betrayal of border security (and betrayal of the voters who elected him in 2010 as an anti-amnesty candidate) will be considered an utmost traitor to the conservative cause. Again, Rubio knows all this.
Any conservative who's already confidently pronouncing Rubio DOA in 2016 because of his immigration work is forgetting very recent history.
Rubio caves for sure.
Rubio is waffling all over this issue. It’s obvious he wants to run for president but wants to be on all sides of the immigration debate. Ah geez, just what we need another freaking moderate, RINO neocon. Sorry senator, but don’t think you’re presidential material.
I don’t know whether this is a DC kabuki theatre attempt to rehabilitate Rubio, but I’m not voting for him next time here in Florida.
This bill is nothing but political hype and needs to be tanked! The Gang of HAte have no idea what is in this bill now
and really do not care for the Citizens of America! All these conservatives think they are wooing the mexicans but guess what they will all vote dem when able to vote. Crap can this now and get over it!
I ordered one of the Marco Rubio water bottles after his response to the State of the Union address. I’m strongly considering peeing in it and sending it back to him.
What is in this deal for the particular Republicans pushing it, and not even trying to get, or wanting, border security as part of the deal? The new “citizens” will all be ‘rat voters. Even if they try hard, the Republicans can never out-pander the ‘rats. The ‘rats have cornered the market, for decades, on pandering with the taxpayers’ money for “free” gibmes for their voting blocs. What is in this for the Gang of Eight and the Congressional Republicans who support this? Not votes, they’re never going to get these votes.
Great line. That's what they are: the people who Hate Americans, and want to replace them.
What's truly amazing is Schumer. Does he really think that a Mexican Catholic dominated America will do anything to protect Israel? They couldn't care less.
He seems to hate even his own people. Must be awful to be him.
Same here. Nor Christie. And one of these, or some other RINO, is going to be the nominee. That’s a given. So they don’t want my conservative vote, and they’re not going to get it.
“there are no conditions whatsoever under which I would vote for Rubio for national office.”
If Rubio is the candidate, expect FR to do as they did with Romney. If it’s either Hillary or Rubio, speak against Rubio and you will get stomped, over and over and over.
If Cruz runs, I will help him.
No legislature can bind a future legislature. If the Democrats take the House of Representatives in the 2014 midterm elections and maintain control of the Senate, then the House and the Senate can vote to reduce the waiting period for say, from 15 years to one week or one month or one year or whatever.
Obama signs it all in time for the 2016 national election.
The kindest description I can muster for Rubio:
I am sure other FReepers can do better.
Frankly, it is disgusting to even think of any even moderate Conservative working with Senator Chuck Schumer, who first "distinguished" himself by his efforts to justify Janet Reno's butchering people outside of Waco, when he was in the House. I have never been able to forget the rodent like look in his eyes as he tried to argue for murderous Federal suppression of armed religious mavericks. Whereas McCain is just senile, Schumer represents all that is really vile in Washington. Rubio is capable of doing far better than his gang buddies.
I mentioned it before. I think the enforcement part is a DIVERSION. Rubio will get some words that will make the country think there is tough enforcement...and it will be tougher than before, when there was nothing.
But it’s keeping the debate from where it should REALLY BE. Which is whether Americans are happy transitioning to a two-language (if not more) country, with ethnic enclaves, kind of like Syria and other Middle East countries.
The point is that the Dems could give us a full lock-down of the border, but they know this bill will let another 20 to 30 million in LEGALLY, in the name of family re-unification. That is their BIG PRIZE and if they have to give up on keeping the border open to trick Republicans into supporting it, they will.
The gang needs to be voted into retirement!!!
Pointless analysis by Hugh Hewitt’s protege. Polls, shmolls. Rubio’s DOA for being naive and lending his name to those fraudulent radio ads. Is kabuki theatre the new buzz word? It’s another thousand freaking page bill. That’s all one needs to know.
His support for Reno at Waco showed how far he is willing to go to disarm Americans. No one should ever have any doubt about whether any patriotic American can work with Schumer.
"Citizenship" is the latino word for "pressure group." Citizenship and welfare benefits are a small part of amnesty---get ready for zillions in foreign aid and other federal handouts.
LYING IN WAIT FOR OUR TAX DOLLARS--- THESE IMPOVERISHED COUNTRIES CURRENTLY HAVE ORGANIZED PRESSURE GROUPS INSIDE THE US (here illegally): Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico (stateside)l Salvador, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela.
AS ONE EXAMPLE: Dominican Republic travel brochures reveal the Third World hellhole provides no safety nets for its impoverished populations. The DR depends on the billion dollars per year their illegal population collect in the US and send back home.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC STRANGLEHOLD ON US POLITICS--- It is an unconscionable travesty against representative democracy---to have the corrupt Dominican Republic meddling in our affairs---cooking the books to help Sen Booby Menendez (D-NJ) stay in power. Menendez is on-record using US govt authority to grease the skids for a billion dollar Dominican port-deal (that can facilitate drug cargo to the US).
Menendez also hired an illegal latino who was a registered sex offender to work in his DC office.
HOW DO YOU SAY QUID PRO QUO IN SPANISH? Clearly, a deal was made. IF (BIG IF) the Dominican Republic saves Menendez's degenerate a** (and prevents the dreaded Christie appointment), Obama will write the foreign aid check w/ plenty of zeros.
BOTTOM LINE Menendez has TWO governments protecting him---- Americans have not even one government looking after our interests.
LA RAZA STUDIES TOSSED OUT OF ARIZONA SCHOOLS La Raza Studies does not even try to sugar-coat its anti-America agenda and its bloodthirsty plans to kill off Americans: Raza Studies textbook Occupied America, by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a violent and blood-curdling speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is, if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him, (pg. 323).
The following is taken directly from La Raza's Occupied America (pg. 167): .......execute all white males over age 16, (AKA the Plan of San Diego).
America-hating Raza Studies teach (1) violence, (2) undermining US ntl security, and, (3) the need for Mexico to "re-take seven states in the Southwest...in order to make the SW a Chicano nation. "
SCHOOL BOARD NUT CASES Adelita Grijalva is the woman on the Arizona school board pimping La Raza indoctrination programs in Tuscon schools. Adelita is all up in arms about Raza Studies getting tossed via the AZ state legislature's action...she is the daughter of Raul Grijalva (D-AZ-7) who was just narrowly re-elected to our US Congress. Cong Raul Grijalva is one of Mexicos most productive and loyal Fifth Column in the US Congress....aiding and abetting the latino criminal underworld, colluding to take back the SW, and loot and pillage the US treasury.
Raul and friend.
‘Quisling Eight’ Members Angry with Rubio Over Border Security Amendments?
There fixed it
REFERENCE: Just before the procedural vote, Judiciary Committee member Sen Grassley offered a simple amendment to the Judiciary Committee considering voting the immigration bill out of commmittee. "The secretary (of homeland security) may not grant registered provisional immigrant status to an alien under this section unless the alien fully discloses to the secretary all the names and Social Security account numbers that the alien has ever used to obtain employment in the United States," said Grassley's amendment.
Grassley's amendment would not have prohibited illegal aliens from being converted into legal aliens just because they had used names and Social Security numbers that did not belong to them. It would only have required that the illegal aliens make the names and numbers they used known to DHS before they could be granted the right to legally live in the United States.
Grassley said, "Congress should not thumb its nose at the millions of Americans who are victims of identity theft, often perpetrated by an undocumented person who steals Social Security numbers to get jobs, govt benefits, driver's licenses and more. This amendment will simply require the person applying for RPI status to disclose any previously used Social Security numbers," said Grassley. "It's the first step to helping clean up the mess that's been created for the victim of identity theft. The amendment also authorizes certain federal agencies, upon receipt of this information, to notify individuals who were the victims."
ON RECORD AS AIDING AND AETTING FELONIES Ranking member Sen Schumer dismissed Grassley's proposal. "When people are living in undocumented status, there are times, I suppose, when they've made up identities, made up Social Security numbers," Schumer told his Judiciary Committee colleagues. "How are they going to remember all that, and are we going to delay RPI status? "(The) purpose of this bill is to bring people out of the shadows. We all know when they lived in the shadows, they had to forge documents, forge Social Security numbers, et cetera. I just don't see how, when you've lived here 10 years, and you've had many different identities, many different numbers, you're going to remember them all," said Schumer.
The Senate Judiciary committee defeated Grassley's amendment 8 to 10 on a party-line vote.
ACTION ALERT Freepers should mobolize locally--get grand juries to begin indicting these Senators for FAILING TO UPHOLD THE LAW AGAINST FELONIES. A few convictions and imprisonment oughta wake up the treasonous Congress. KEEP IN MIND---those elected to office are held to a higher standard of law than we peons....but have never been held to account.
Majority members----Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing Room
226 Dirksen Senate Office Building Washington, DC:
Patrick Leahy, Dem-Vermont, Chairman
Dianne Feinstein, Dem-California
Chuck Schumer, Dem-New York, ranking member
Dick Durbin, Dem-Illinois
Sheldon Whitehouse, Dem-Rhode Island
Amy Klobuchar, Dem-Minnesota
Al Franken, Dem-Minnesota
Chris Coons,Dem- Delaware
Richard Blumenthal, Dem- Connecticut
Mazie Hirono, Dm-Hawaii
Source: 2013 Congressional Record, Vol. 159, Page S296 to 297
But if this amnesty bill passes, my vote will count for far less than it even has to now. If it passes, from then on only the most socialist candidates will have a chance at national office.
So, if I even choose to participate in elections, all of my votes will be protest ones.
FReepers, Contact Congress Toll Free 1-(866) 220-0044
MESSAGE TO CONGRESS: "I'm a legal American citizen, I pay taxes, I vote, and I don't like this bill. Most of all I don't like my govt using legislative power to scrounge for illegal voters to stay in power."
Ooh, an angry Gang of 8holes...
Don’t do that. I like the sentiment, but you know they would see it as some sort of biological weapon or some such. Yes, I’m serious. He isn’t worth you getting in trouble.
Consider carefully the reaction of the Homeland Security Thugs before you do that.
I also don't think I would suggest the notion to anyone else if you know what I mean...
We win. If we don't win, we're only one step away from a friendly judge who'll make sure we do.
A rat eyed psychotic, consumed by his hatred of all those evil WASPs out there who...who...kept his grandfather out of Harvard...or something.
To him, we're all Himmlers.
Dumb as a rock, and he ran TUSD for God knows how long.
When my Mom graduated from Tucson High, the guy who ranked just below her was Frank Borman.
That's how good TUSD was in the '40s.
Not now. Just a Mexican indoctrination camp, dedicated to babysitting the next generation of ranting separatists.
Thanks for the realtime report.
Third World primitives.....a pox on the US.
We have these kabuki dances every two to four years where they put on a show not unlike WWE Wrestling where the villain varies according to the location.
The nearly stolen election by Al Gore taught us nothing, and we just shrugged at the defeat of Romney by arguably the worst president ever and said Oh Well.
Thankfully my expiration date is closer than most here and I won't have to see the total demise of the Republic, but we will have to explain to God one day why we let this happen to our children.
Conservatives have no horse in this race at all, judging by Rubio's approval ratings the country will drink the Kool-Aid, when asked to by a slick fast talking carnival carny.
I hear “the Gang of Eight” took a cue from the IRS-—and prepared a video to loosen up the senate for the vote. The video is a rollicking, playful take on the Cheech and Chong movie, “Coming to America.”
Sen Schumer plays Cheech and Sen Rubio plays Chong.
Janet Napolitano plays “Rosita” owner of the Mexican cantina “Reconquista”....she’s seen pouring tequila shots for the future US citizens, who are gathered to fill out welfare, EITC refund, and voter registration forms...all in Spanish.
Cameo roles feature Obama as a lovable, compassionate, braindead Stepen Fetchit character who sweeps up the cantina. Michele Obama plays “Conchita,” a fiery senorita who has a (cough) room above the cantina.
Sen Menendez plays a helpful “coyote” charging the impoverished Mexicans $10,000 each for a ride across the border and a packet of forged documents.
I know you know, what is the number of the bill? I want to read it. I heard there are some horrendous things in this bill that actually outsource a lot of the things in it to community organizer groups vs. government employees, and that the groups actually receive federal money to do the things required.
S.744 Latest Title: Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act Sponsor: Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY]
a sickenly mendacious title, and i commend you for reading it. it is not a pleasant read. now it is apparently bloated to over 1000 pages.
They are upset that Rubio hasn’t completely morphed into Chuck Schumer. Almost but not quite.
Wacko Birds McCain & Grahamnasty.
When I learned that nobama’s Google buddie was picking up the tab for those ads, I knew this thing was not in our better interest.
I think Rubio hurt himself by going along with these subterfuges promoted around Rush’s airtime, with inference it was backed by conservatives.
Shumer is oblivious to the cold hard fact that as late as 1848 Mexicans were still burning Jews at the stake, and they might start that up again just for funzies. These are the last people on the planet we should be importing more of!
S.744 is NOT a bill that protects Amercans or US soverignity.
It was written by self-serving latino lobbyists/pressure groups/salivating Third World federales acting in collusion, paking the bill with freebies and giveaways...... and anti-american provisions to facilitate reconquista.
Remember that DHS’ Janet Napolitano said she and Obama have the “right” to decide which laws they will obey.
If Ohaha doesnt like a Republican amendment, he’ll just x it out.
Schumer-Rubio promises & why they’re bogus
The Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration plan will destroy individual privacy via biometric database.
I’d love to see it!
onw better.. pee in the bottle and fax a picture to his office
Rubio and the rest proved where they stand on enforcement when they voted to table Cornyn’s amendment. I could be wrong about this, but I’m pretty sure the deed’s already been done.
If Rubio’s having trouble, it’s of his own making. I have no sympathy for a politician says one thing to a group (that it likes) and a different thing in a different language to another group (which it also likes). I don’t know how he thought it wouldn’t be discovered.
I do not know a single republican that personally likes rubio... he is universally hated amongst the conservatives that I know.
There will be no more “traditional” republican elections. Millions of us that have caved for decades and did cave in 2012 and voted for romney and were conflicted in doing so... have had all that we can stand. There is very little difference in a boehner/mcconnell or a pelosi/reid except that boner and mcconnell lie to their base about everything.
I will not vote for a bush or a rubio or any other progressive rovian nightmare. Not even Jim himself could talk me into it this time. I am not alone.