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Paul Ryan: ‘I will debate anybody’ who says immigration bill is ‘amnesty’
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Posted on 06/12/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Windy City Conservative

"Earned legalization is not amnesty," Ryan said during a forum on immigration sponsored by the National Association of Manufacturers. "I will debate anybody who tries to suggest that these ideas that are moving through Congress are amnesty. They're not. Amnesty is wiping the slate clean and not paying any penalty for having done something wrong."

Ryan pointed to provisions baked into the Senate bill from the beginning that require those in the United States to pay a fine, back taxes, undergo background checks and enter a years-long probationary period before earning citizenship, a process that can take up to 15 years.

"That," Ryan said, "is not amnesty."

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 4sale; aliens; amnesty; amnesty4sale; deathtoamerica; immigration; paulryan; paulryanwho; rino
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Ryan lost a debate to Joe Biden. Good luck Paul.
1 posted on 06/12/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Windy City Conservative
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To: Windy City Conservative

If illegal aliens get to stay then it is amnesty. Period.


2 posted on 06/12/2013 2:28:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Windy City Conservative

You lost. Shut up and go away.


3 posted on 06/12/2013 2:29:57 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Ryan, you traitor. Get lost!


4 posted on 06/12/2013 2:30:11 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Windy City Conservative

Dang. Someone always beats me to the perfect comment.


5 posted on 06/12/2013 2:30:28 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Windy City Conservative

If Ryan is on board with it, it’s over. Turn out the lights, the party is over.


6 posted on 06/12/2013 2:30:37 PM PDT by TroutGuy
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To: Windy City Conservative

Paul, pick up the phone.

Joe Biden is calling about debating you.

You know, the guy that whipped your @ss in the VP debate.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 2:30:50 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Windy City Conservative

That was directed at Ryno... I mean Ryan, in case you were in the crossfire.


8 posted on 06/12/2013 2:30:56 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Any legislation that allows the lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. A path to citizenship is a bonus. Giving them green cards entitles them to all the benefits of citizenship except voting. They can receive welfare and entitlement benefits, SSNs, driver’s licenses, work permits etc.


9 posted on 06/12/2013 2:31:03 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Windy City Conservative

It’s not like we didn’t already know we’d have amnesty regardless the outcome in 2012.


10 posted on 06/12/2013 2:31:05 PM PDT by South40
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You will give legal status to an illegal and they can then stay forever..and work. No screening...what else can you call it?


11 posted on 06/12/2013 2:31:32 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Windy City Conservative

Ryan has managed to ignore that all of those “penalties” can be waived, ignored, or gamed.
Its amnesty.


12 posted on 06/12/2013 2:31:43 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it gettingthe so hot?)
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To: Windy City Conservative

LOL. I was thinking the same thing.


13 posted on 06/12/2013 2:32:02 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Windy City Conservative
eddie munster photo: eddie munster eddiemunster.jpg

"And it's NOT a toy! It's an Action Figure!"

14 posted on 06/12/2013 2:32:09 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: stephenjohnbanker

We need a like button. Thumbs up.


15 posted on 06/12/2013 2:32:15 PM PDT by I Drive Too Fast
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To: Oldexpat

Bingo!


16 posted on 06/12/2013 2:32:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Windy City Conservative

Hey Ryan, SUCK IT!!! If you’ll debate anyone, then offer to debate Betsy McCaughey. Skinny little punk.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 2:32:47 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Windy City Conservative

It’s amnesty and Ryan is disappointing sell-out.


18 posted on 06/12/2013 2:33:33 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Dear God, PLEASE, save us from these damn fools.


19 posted on 06/12/2013 2:33:40 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Deport Ryan along withn every illegal alien!!!

He’s anti american garbage!


20 posted on 06/12/2013 2:34:57 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Windy City Conservative
"Earned legalization is not amnesty . . . "

It depends on what they have to do to earn it.

Any bill that makes sneaking into the country an easier path to citizenship an easier route than actually being required to go through the legal process and be vetted, tested and proven as is my son-in-law who applied back in 2009 is, indeed, amnesty and giving away American citizenship on the cheap to certain favored demographics who are likely to thank this country for our generousity by voting in more Democrat politicians hell-bent on turning us into the same type of third world garbage cans from which they fled.

21 posted on 06/12/2013 2:35:16 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Windy City Conservative

ah, If you legalize their status - its amnesty.


22 posted on 06/12/2013 2:35:43 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: Snickering Hound

Interesting factoid:
When I was a kid I wanted my hair styled just like Eddie Munster. I grew out of that desire, obviously.


23 posted on 06/12/2013 2:36:05 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Snickering Hound

Interesting factoid:
When I was a kid I wanted my hair styled just like Eddie Munster. I grew out of that desire, obviously.


24 posted on 06/12/2013 2:36:05 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: rockabyebaby; Windy City Conservative

” Dear God, PLEASE, save us from these damn fools.”

Maybe the Post of the Day !


25 posted on 06/12/2013 2:36:47 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Windy City Conservative
I will debate anybody...

How about we just beat your treasonous,sellout a$$ with Preston Brooks' cane instead.

26 posted on 06/12/2013 2:37:06 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Ryan lost a debate to Joe Biden. Good luck Paul.

That's gotta be the biggest crock I've ever seen posted on FR.

You sure you're on the right site?

27 posted on 06/12/2013 2:37:11 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

OK, Paul, let’s do it here!


28 posted on 06/12/2013 2:37:17 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Windy City Conservative

I think I hear Ryan’s phone ringing, I think it’s Mark Levin...


29 posted on 06/12/2013 2:37:48 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Amnesty is wiping the slate clean and not paying any penalty for having done something wrong."

BS. Many states and localities have had tax amnesty programs where if you pay the tax you owe you will not be subject to other fines and interest penalties. But you still have to obey the law. The immigration equivalent of that amnesty program would be the illegal alien starts obeying the law, i.e. return home, and further penalties won't apply to them like temporary or permanent prevention of them ever entering the US legally.

Thus going home and obeying the law in the future without being penalized for having been here would itself be an amnesty program. An even more generous program would then of course be an amnesty. Even if you pay a "fine" under the proposed law, when that fine is a much smaller penalty than the current law (deportation and not being allowed to immigrate legally in the future) then it is an amnesty.

30 posted on 06/12/2013 2:38:09 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Yep, getting you a** whupped by Plugs isn’t a shining endorsement.
Q: “Tell us anywhere in the USA where increase in immigration has resulted in more Republican voters other than Cuba refugees in parts of Florida?”
A: “Let me show you my budget plan for a balanced budget in 10 years”


31 posted on 06/12/2013 2:39:55 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: kabar
Illegal immigration is not as much an issue in Wisconsin as it is in the coastal states and the Southwest. This bill will translate to more Democrat voters, maybe not in Wisconsin so much, but decidedly so in Arizona, Texas, and Florida. The net effect of the 1986 immigration bill was a major factor in tipping California, once a bellwether state, into a Democrat lock. The net effect of this new bill will be the same, and you can count on Florida and maybe Arizona being permanent losses to the GOP and Texas moving into "purple" status.

Ryan couldn't even carry his home state last year. He is no one conservatives should look up to. Neither is Rand Paul, whose state is not much affected by illegal immigration. As for Marco Rubio, he is undercutting his own base in Florida.

32 posted on 06/12/2013 2:41:36 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: exit82
You know, the guy that whipped your @ss in the VP debate.

I'm no fan of Ryan nor his current attempeted bs job, but that debate was a set up lib hack job.

Biden didn't debate, he sneered, looked like a repugnant teenager, and did nothing but wet the panties of the lib base.

BTW, he also said we were arming the Syrian "rebels" AKA AQ.

33 posted on 06/12/2013 2:42:40 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rats vs. GOPe = Same train, different speed.)
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To: 3Fingas
Interesting factoid: When I was a kid I wanted my hair styled just like Eddie Munster. I grew out of that desire, obviously.

Me, I just grew outta my hair.

34 posted on 06/12/2013 2:44:46 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Obama will add Amnesty just before he signs it .


35 posted on 06/12/2013 2:45:06 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Windy City Conservative

>> provisions... that require those in the United States to pay a fine, back taxes, undergo background checks and enter a years-long probationary period before earning citizenship, a process that can take up to 15 years.

... unless, of course, all those tough-sounding provisions are waived or rubber-stamped by the DHS. As you KNOW they will be.

Take a flying leap, Ryan. Loser POS.


36 posted on 06/12/2013 2:45:14 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

“Earned legalization is not amnesty,” Ryan said”

Trying to bamboozle us with not-so-clever semantics? What a tool!

“Earned legalization”, step 1: Illegally enter the U.S. or illegally remain after visa expires.

Break our immigration laws and “earn” yourself a big reward from Ryan and his buddies in the open borders cabal.


37 posted on 06/12/2013 2:45:33 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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Illegals already get all kinds of taxpayer funded benefits, not to mention the jobs they take from Americans.

I know illegals that are on welfare, who receive health care benefits at my expense and whose children go to school on my dime.

They gather and protest openly with little or no loyalty to America and have the most entrenched sense of entitlement of any group I know of.

But hey, it's not amnesty..right?

What the hell else do you call it?

I bet when all the Republicans in Washington get together they probably don't have the collective IQ of the average house cat.

Who do you think these folks will vote for when you give them the few rights they don't already have? Republican? I've got news for you, they will show you no loyalty what so ever for anything you do for them and pull the lever for the Democrats the first chance they get. Got it??!!

38 posted on 06/12/2013 2:45:49 PM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: Windy City Conservative

Braindead dumbazz Biden whipped the skinny leg lying Boy Scout Ryan. This little prick could not deliver his home state to deadazz Romney, think he may be turned out of his comfy House seat?


39 posted on 06/12/2013 2:48:25 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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“That,” Ryan said, “is not amnesty.”


AND it’s probably not... THIS WEEK!!!..

soon as it passes it can and WILL BE amended/changed/altered/morphed/slippery sloped/adjusted/connived/updated
TO BE AMNESTY..

Some things in the bill will be ENFORCED other things will be IGNORED..
You know.. the way its always done TO REPUBLICANS.. even IF they are the majority..

DEMOCRATS are relentless, REPUBLICANS are Lazy, half-hearted, doubled minded, very confused..
Its the extremely rare republican that’s focused...

The ONLY way to get a democrat to release their cold dead hands from POWER....
IS by making their hands cold and dead.. by civil unrest..
But only democrats have the balls to do that..


Prepare yourselves soon it will be said, “I remember when there was a republican party”..
“THE”.... Coup D’Etat has ALREADY happened..
America has been “JUDGED” and came up Evil...

Obama is just PUNISHMENT..


40 posted on 06/12/2013 2:49:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Amnesty means receiving the benefit but having to pay a DIFFERENT penalty than the law requires.

In other words, if the beneficiary is not required to pay the penalty prescribed by law, but is given a lesser penalty instead, that is amnesty.

This bill IS amnesty.

Ryan is WRONG.


41 posted on 06/12/2013 2:50:16 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Snickering Hound

LOL


42 posted on 06/12/2013 2:50:31 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Definition of amnesty (n)

Bing Dictionary

am·nes·ty

1.pardon: a general pardon, especially for those who have committed political crimes

2.prosecution-free period: a period during which crimes can be admitted or illegal weapons handed in without prosecution

3.pardon somebody: to grant an amnesty to somebody


43 posted on 06/12/2013 2:51:35 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If youÂ’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: Windy City Conservative

The pieces of silver are flowing like a raging river in Washington nowadays...


44 posted on 06/12/2013 2:53:12 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

Sit down, Paul. No one is interested in debating you on anything anymore.


45 posted on 06/12/2013 2:54:00 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: Windy City Conservative
Ryan pointed to provisions baked into the Senate bill from the beginning that require those in the United States to pay a fine, back taxes, undergo background checks and enter a years-long probationary period before earning citizenship, a process that can take up to 15 years.

Mister Obama, or his judges, will remove all of these bothersome issues, one suspects.

Amnesty, amnesty, amnesty, and amnesty.

Debate won.

.

46 posted on 06/12/2013 2:55:00 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Windy City Conservative
Let me get this straight ... we will get law breakers to obey the law by passing even more laws for them to obey ?

Is there a way to remove someone from office when it can be proven that they are insane ?

47 posted on 06/12/2013 2:55:41 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: kabar

“Giving them green cards entitles them to all the benefits of citizenship except voting.”

Heard that during jury selection this week for the Whitey Bulger trial, it was discovered that an illegal was in the pool of prospects (derived from the voter lists). Gotta wonder how many illegals are not only illegally voting but also illegally serving on juries.


48 posted on 06/12/2013 2:57:09 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Windy City Conservative
Real simple Paul. In the bill, is there a way where an illegal can end up a citizen, with rights, benefits and a vote? "Well yes but..." No buts about it Paul, no debate - that's amnesty.

Do not reward illegals with anything! Ever! Send their law breaking backsides back home where they belong, and charge them for the bus ticket!

49 posted on 06/12/2013 2:57:46 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

LVR, I agree with you about Biden;s demeanor, but Ryan played MidWest polite, when he should have thrown it back at Biden and called him out on being a putz and for for flinging false facts.

It was not out of the realm of possibilities that Biden would act this way—it is his MO from way back.


50 posted on 06/12/2013 2:59:20 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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