Skip to comments.Germans accuse U.S. of Stasi tactics before Obama visit
Posted on 06/11/2013 5:00:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
German outrage over a U.S. Internet spying program has broken out ahead of a visit by Barack Obama, with ministers demanding the president provide a full explanation when he lands in Berlin next week and one official likening the tactics to those of the East German Stasi.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman has said she will raise the issue with Obama in talks next Wednesday, potentially casting a cloud over a visit that was designed to celebrate U.S.-German ties on the 50th anniversary John F. Kennedy's famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech...
In a guest editorial for Spiegel Online on Tuesday, Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger said reports that the United States could access and track virtually all forms of Internet communication were "deeply disconcerting" and potentially dangerous...
Markus Ferber, a member of Merkel's Bavarian sister party who sits in the European Parliament, went further, accusing Washington of using "American-style Stasi methods".
"I thought this era had ended when the DDR fell," he said, using the German initials for the failed German Democratic Republic.
Opposition parties have jumped on the issue, keen to put a dampener on the Merkel-Obama talks and prevent them from boosting the chancellor as she gears up for a September parliamentary election in which she is seeking a third term.
"This looks to me like it could become one of the biggest data privacy scandals ever," Greens leader Renate Kuenast told Reuters.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
Gannett, so linking only:
ACLU sues Obama administration over NSA surveillance
Is Germany perhaps one of the few adults left on the world stage?
Well since Germany is looking back to Nazism with its tagging of Israeli produced goods maybe they should just get together and compare notes.
They should have gone whole-hog and compared it to the Gestapo or Schutzstaffel. Otherwise, they’re right.
ACLU Sues Over NSA Phone Records Program
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Posted on 06/11/2013 1:49:48 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
The STASI were community organizers too.
I don’t agree with German public opinion much, but they’re right this time.
In case you haven’t seen it, watch “The Lives of Others”: http://tinyurl.com/2qcja3
I guess it’s Ok! for the NSA to listen to phone calls that originate in Germany or the UK that route through the USA, or scoop up the internet foot print of UK citizens, save it in a data base and then give it to the UK’s MI6. No warrant needed says the UK we didn’t gather this info our friend at the NSA gave it to us. So what if this becomes untenable at NSA to continue, they can just give all the technology to the Brit’s and say hey you spy on the American people for us, it not illegal for you to do it, there’s no pesky constitution restricting you form spying on Americans, then had it over to your friends at the NSA.
It has become a small world!!!!!
This is ironic, since Germany’s domestic spying agency, the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz, is very active — or supposed to be very active — because extremists of the right and left are more numerous and prominent in public life in Germany (feel free to put “ironic quotation marks” around any of those words, if you like).
Obama has been practicing his “Ich bin ein Hosenscheisser!” speech.
Please view, The lives of Others, a foreign drama regarding the Stasi. Look for its new relaease in which obama plays the role of Snoop Dog!
Then, Germans warn us away from totalitarian police state wiretapping and eavesdropping.
The world has inverted, and Reagan would call *US* the Evil Empire these days.
Ich bin ein Buglistener
LOL, thanks for that.
We are now the enemy of freedom and democracy. What free people’s are left on earth?
But, but but, obama is a hero for protecting us and Snowden is a traitor! Well, some FReepers think so.
Bullsh*t. These were the people who massed in the street when their “savior” BHO visited. The Germans can go screw themselves and suck on their delusions.
Close? The Stasi were pikers. In their wildest imagination, they never dreamed of having the ability to spy on it’s citizenry that the US government routinely uses.
The STASI used to sneak into peeps houses to move stuff around to mess with them. The US is better on the info tracking, not yet up to speed on the physical presence in the ‘hood.
But that’s basically juvenile hijinks. The Stasi never approaches our near total surveillance state. They were limited by the human element.
The actual ubiquitous man in the fake leather jacket is simply not needed. They have one standing in every household in America (figuratively speaking)
Can our intel community destroy an individuals life easily?
Do they claim the right to kill citizens without due process?
Do they use secret courts, to obtain warrants that cannot be revealed by the targets?
Do they claim a right to arrest and hold incommunicado any citizen they deem a threat to the state?
Is it widely known that they brazenly lie to the people?
Is it openly expected that they would murder the leaker if they could simply arrange it?
Are they 100% beyond the reach of any aggrieved citizen to hold them accountable?
All yes. We have a super Stasi now.
Stasi is right! Because the Germans know their history, unlike some, who immediately bring up some mythical Nazis.
Yeah but it looks like some of their politicians truly are the adults here. You, not so much.
Some of their politicians, LOL! They’re only complaining because they’re being bugged as well and it’s a vote getter for them. Politics comes before everything for politicians. The tools who swooned for Obama should have known better.
Yes but he’a actually going to be questioned for once by another nation...someone is DARING to question Mr. Hope and Change.
NAZI = COMMIE BUMP
So you agree and then question my adulthood? Sheesh...
Yes I did question your initial l’il tantrum.
It was an observation based on the two faced nature of many foreigners who complain about what we do while having governments who are often worse. If that’s a tantrum, so be it.
You tell me
Given the news item (German ministers planning on questioning Obama) I was commenting on and given Germany’s comparative financial stability I’d say yes, they are among the only adults on the world stage.
As far as this story you linked to I don’t buy the premise of malice on Germany’s part.
Targeting Jewish products for the intent to make it easier boycott Jewish made products isn’t a malice intent?
Supposedly (according to the story) Germany joined 13 other nations in this sort of boycott...sounds like a political position that I wouldn’t agree with but it’s their right and I would need to know more. Nice try with the whole Star of David thing. It’s not even close to being comparable with what happened under Hitler but I give you high marks for attempted hysteria.