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Germans accuse U.S. of Stasi tactics before Obama visit
Reuters ^ | Tuesday, June 11, 2013 | Noah Barkin

Posted on 06/11/2013 5:00:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

German outrage over a U.S. Internet spying program has broken out ahead of a visit by Barack Obama, with ministers demanding the president provide a full explanation when he lands in Berlin next week and one official likening the tactics to those of the East German Stasi.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman has said she will raise the issue with Obama in talks next Wednesday, potentially casting a cloud over a visit that was designed to celebrate U.S.-German ties on the 50th anniversary John F. Kennedy's famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech...

In a guest editorial for Spiegel Online on Tuesday, Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger said reports that the United States could access and track virtually all forms of Internet communication were "deeply disconcerting" and potentially dangerous...

Markus Ferber, a member of Merkel's Bavarian sister party who sits in the European Parliament, went further, accusing Washington of using "American-style Stasi methods".

"I thought this era had ended when the DDR fell," he said, using the German initials for the failed German Democratic Republic.

Opposition parties have jumped on the issue, keen to put a dampener on the Merkel-Obama talks and prevent them from boosting the chancellor as she gears up for a September parliamentary election in which she is seeking a third term.

"This looks to me like it could become one of the biggest data privacy scandals ever," Greens leader Renate Kuenast told Reuters.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Germany; Russia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: angelamerkel; breaking; euprism; europeanunion; france; germany; germanyprism; greece; ichbineinberliner; ichbineinbullshitter; kenyanbornmuzzie; markusferber; prism; renatekuenast; russia; spiegelonline; stasi; unitedkingdom; waronterror
(Additional reporting by Andreas Rinke; Editing by Mark Trevelyan)

Germans accuse U.S. of Stasi tactics before Obama visit

1 posted on 06/11/2013 5:00:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Gannett, so linking only:

ACLU sues Obama administration over NSA surveillance
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/11/obama-aclu-lawsuit-national-security-agency-surveillance/2412885/


2 posted on 06/11/2013 5:01:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

3 posted on 06/11/2013 5:01:34 PM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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Gannett, so linking only:

ACLU sues Obama administration over NSA surveillance


4 posted on 06/11/2013 5:04:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The US perfecting the STASI?

Gettin' close.

5 posted on 06/11/2013 5:05:18 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Paladin2

Yep.


6 posted on 06/11/2013 5:08:18 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: SunkenCiv

Is Germany perhaps one of the few adults left on the world stage?


7 posted on 06/11/2013 5:09:23 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: SunkenCiv

8 posted on 06/11/2013 5:09:43 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: SunkenCiv
Bamster is a great fan of the Stasi. They were great servants of the East German state.
9 posted on 06/11/2013 5:13:05 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: SunkenCiv

Well since Germany is looking back to Nazism with its tagging of Israeli produced goods maybe they should just get together and compare notes.


10 posted on 06/11/2013 5:15:07 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: SunkenCiv

They should have gone whole-hog and compared it to the Gestapo or Schutzstaffel. Otherwise, they’re right.


11 posted on 06/11/2013 5:17:53 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: LyinLibs; Paladin2; Irenic; toddausauras; GeorgeWashingtonsGhost; MasterGunner01; Mastador1; ...

ACLU Sues Over NSA Phone Records Program
Associated Press/ABC News | June 11. 2013 | AP
Posted on 06/11/2013 1:49:48 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3030072/posts


12 posted on 06/11/2013 5:20:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: MasterGunner01

The STASI were community organizers too.


13 posted on 06/11/2013 5:23:20 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: SunkenCiv

I don’t agree with German public opinion much, but they’re right this time.


14 posted on 06/11/2013 5:24:53 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SunkenCiv

In case you haven’t seen it, watch “The Lives of Others”: http://tinyurl.com/2qcja3


15 posted on 06/11/2013 5:27:11 PM PDT by mathprof
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To: SunkenCiv

I guess it’s Ok! for the NSA to listen to phone calls that originate in Germany or the UK that route through the USA, or scoop up the internet foot print of UK citizens, save it in a data base and then give it to the UK’s MI6. No warrant needed says the UK we didn’t gather this info our friend at the NSA gave it to us. So what if this becomes untenable at NSA to continue, they can just give all the technology to the Brit’s and say hey you spy on the American people for us, it not illegal for you to do it, there’s no pesky constitution restricting you form spying on Americans, then had it over to your friends at the NSA.
It has become a small world!!!!!


16 posted on 06/11/2013 5:31:39 PM PDT by qman (The communist usurper must go!)
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To: SunkenCiv

This is ironic, since Germany’s domestic spying agency, the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz, is very active — or supposed to be very active — because extremists of the right and left are more numerous and prominent in public life in Germany (feel free to put “ironic quotation marks” around any of those words, if you like).


17 posted on 06/11/2013 5:40:05 PM PDT by x
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To: SpaceBar; RegulatorCountry; mathprof; qman; x

Thanks!


18 posted on 06/11/2013 5:48:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

19 posted on 06/11/2013 5:50:01 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: SunkenCiv

Obama has been practicing his “Ich bin ein Hosenscheisser!” speech.


20 posted on 06/11/2013 6:18:08 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Paladin2

Please view, The lives of Others, a foreign drama regarding the Stasi. Look for its new relaease in which obama plays the role of Snoop Dog!


21 posted on 06/11/2013 6:19:12 PM PDT by blaveda (blaveda)
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To: SunkenCiv
First, Russians warn us away from socialism and communism.

Then, Germans warn us away from totalitarian police state wiretapping and eavesdropping.

The world has inverted, and Reagan would call *US* the Evil Empire these days.

22 posted on 06/11/2013 6:46:41 PM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Well Germany, you welcomed this bastard with open arms on that warm summer day in Berlin. You'd think you'd recognize a “Fascist Commie” with your history.
23 posted on 06/11/2013 6:54:14 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: SunkenCiv; martin_fierro; Charles Henrickson

Ich bin ein Buglistener


24 posted on 06/11/2013 6:57:49 PM PDT by mikrofon (Ich bin ein Tagliner)
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To: LyinLibs

LOL, thanks for that.


25 posted on 06/11/2013 6:58:12 PM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: Paladin2

We are now the enemy of freedom and democracy. What free people’s are left on earth?


26 posted on 06/11/2013 6:58:54 PM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: SunkenCiv

But, but but, obama is a hero for protecting us and Snowden is a traitor! Well, some FReepers think so.


27 posted on 06/11/2013 7:17:02 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: toddausauras

Bullsh*t. These were the people who massed in the street when their “savior” BHO visited. The Germans can go screw themselves and suck on their delusions.


28 posted on 06/11/2013 7:26:37 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Paladin2

“Gettin’ close.”

Close? The Stasi were pikers. In their wildest imagination, they never dreamed of having the ability to spy on it’s citizenry that the US government routinely uses.


29 posted on 06/11/2013 7:36:20 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

The STASI used to sneak into peeps houses to move stuff around to mess with them. The US is better on the info tracking, not yet up to speed on the physical presence in the ‘hood.


30 posted on 06/11/2013 7:39:00 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Paladin2

But that’s basically juvenile hijinks. The Stasi never approaches our near total surveillance state. They were limited by the human element.
The actual ubiquitous man in the fake leather jacket is simply not needed. They have one standing in every household in America (figuratively speaking)

Can our intel community destroy an individuals life easily?
Do they claim the right to kill citizens without due process?
Do they use secret courts, to obtain warrants that cannot be revealed by the targets?
Do they claim a right to arrest and hold incommunicado any citizen they deem a threat to the state?
Is it widely known that they brazenly lie to the people?
Is it openly expected that they would murder the leaker if they could simply arrange it?
Are they 100% beyond the reach of any aggrieved citizen to hold them accountable?

All yes. We have a super Stasi now.
NSA


31 posted on 06/11/2013 7:51:32 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Stasi is right! Because the Germans know their history, unlike some, who immediately bring up some mythical Nazis.


32 posted on 06/11/2013 7:55:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Amberdawn

Yeah but it looks like some of their politicians truly are the adults here. You, not so much.


33 posted on 06/11/2013 8:05:30 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: mathprof
In case you haven’t seen it, watch “The Lives of Others”:

Excellent and haunting movie. Every American has a civic responsibility to watch this in light of the current news.
34 posted on 06/11/2013 8:10:10 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: toddausauras

Some of their politicians, LOL! They’re only complaining because they’re being bugged as well and it’s a vote getter for them. Politics comes before everything for politicians. The tools who swooned for Obama should have known better.


35 posted on 06/11/2013 8:26:39 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

Yes but he’a actually going to be questioned for once by another nation...someone is DARING to question Mr. Hope and Change.


36 posted on 06/11/2013 8:59:19 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

NAZI = COMMIE BUMP


37 posted on 06/11/2013 9:05:55 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: toddausauras

So you agree and then question my adulthood? Sheesh...


38 posted on 06/11/2013 9:24:40 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

Yes I did question your initial l’il tantrum.


39 posted on 06/11/2013 10:09:26 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: toddausauras

It was an observation based on the two faced nature of many foreigners who complain about what we do while having governments who are often worse. If that’s a tantrum, so be it.


40 posted on 06/12/2013 1:05:30 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: toddausauras
said, "Is Germany perhaps one of the few adults left on the world stage?"

Germany today put the new jewish star of david on all Israeli products

You tell me

41 posted on 06/12/2013 12:51:15 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Given the news item (German ministers planning on questioning Obama) I was commenting on and given Germany’s comparative financial stability I’d say yes, they are among the only adults on the world stage.

As far as this story you linked to I don’t buy the premise of malice on Germany’s part.


42 posted on 06/12/2013 1:00:33 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: toddausauras

Targeting Jewish products for the intent to make it easier boycott Jewish made products isn’t a malice intent?


43 posted on 06/12/2013 1:27:01 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Supposedly (according to the story) Germany joined 13 other nations in this sort of boycott...sounds like a political position that I wouldn’t agree with but it’s their right and I would need to know more. Nice try with the whole Star of David thing. It’s not even close to being comparable with what happened under Hitler but I give you high marks for attempted hysteria.


44 posted on 06/12/2013 3:06:59 PM PDT by toddausauras (FUBO x 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)
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To: mathprof; All
In case you haven’t seen it, watch “The Lives of Others”: http://tinyurl.com/2qcja3

Can't be said often enough. The DVD is only eight bucks fifty. But it's also on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX8NxgAtHM8
or http://www.youtube.com/movie?v=hYQvRRuXbZU, so DO WATCH "The Lives of Others"

45 posted on 06/13/2013 7:58:36 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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