Posted on 06/09/2013 4:56:56 AM PDT by lastmomstanding
WOW.
The emotional “investment” that many folks have in Scouting is understandable. Scouting’s roots run very deep in some circles and locations because of its long and storied history.
But Scouting sealed its fate about 13 years ago when they rolled out Wood Badge for the 21st Century. Diversity is a prime component of the course and is a mandatory component of one’s “ticket” in order to earn your beads. I earned my beads in ‘93 and staffed 2 courses between ‘07 and ‘09. Diversity is a component of PC and PC is cultural marxism.
However, endorsing National by your continued participation only confirms to them that they were “right”. Only the cranks, bigots, haters and whiners would leave Scouting and the “reasonable”, “diverse” and “accepting” ones would continue.
For me, it’s not so much about the queers, they can be dealt with any number of creative ways. It’s about National’s deliberate and deceitful betrayal to the program. They welcomed the corporate scum into their circle and the influence the corporate scum wielded was/is substantial. At almost every turn, the BSA has its hands out asking for more $$.
As an anecdotal example; Our Council has been neglecting and outright rejecting the Scouts and Scouters access to camps so that outside groups can pay more $$ to use them. In addition, our Council did not permit the names of our delegates to be known so that they could be petitioned regarding the so-called sham of a “vote”.
How does National claim they “listened” to the rank and file who went 60%+ against the policy change and then you get 60%+ of the delegates to “vote” for the change? I’ll posit this, Councils stacked the decks to ensure some illusion of legitimacy was given to this process.
As far as I am concerned, the BSA is no longer trustworthy, I have lost complete confidence in the leadership at almost all levels of Scouting with the exception of my District. They have lost sight of the purpose, vision and aims of Scouting.
As for me, I’m out. I have already notified National and Council. Summer of 2013 only because parents and Scouts asked me to hang on long enough for their boys to earn their Eagle and get through either summer camp or Philmont.
I will find other ways to teach young boys and teens how to become good men. I’ll use all of my resources to do so, up to and including many of the Scouting materials. Just sanitize it a bit.
A shiny badge ain’t the end all be all some folks think it is. It’s about the young man who made that journey. That journey can be traveled many different ways.
Best,
SZ
Who “leads” the Troop bert?
In our troop, we have a very solid cadre of older scouts, a leadership corps, who learn to be leaders by leading. We have a solid group of younger patrol and assistant patrol leaders.
We have a solid staff of a fantastic scoutmaster and several assistants. We have 63 registered adults on the roster and never lack from proper skills at the needed time.
Although registered I no longer participate in the active day to date leadership. My job is the best of all. I host the Eagle Courts that present the Eagle awards.
A very long answer given when only two were needed.
The boys.
The boys are always supposed to be the leaders with adult guidance and mentorship.
What’s your Troop’s response going to be when a homosexual boy comes “out” or joins?
Is he going to be afforded the opportunity to “lead”, be an “example” to the other boys?
If so, will the other boys “follow” him knowing what they know?
-——A very long answer given when only two were needed——
I understand that but.....
There are many here who are critical of scouting and would not understand a two word answer. There are scoutmasters of small or failing troops who never quite grasp that simple concept. It was thus necessary to convey not only the thought but the concept that allows it to happen.
As Rush likes to say, it is a teaching moment.
Quite frankly, I think the scouts will be able to handle it better than the Scouters. I don’t know. I think the probability is very low.
Fair enough.
I don’t know that too many boys from faithful families will find it palatable to be “led” by an open homosexual. Nor would many parents find it acceptable to have one as an “example”.
But as I’ve mentioned before, the queer issue can be handled a variety of ways and isn’t the crux of my argument.
My issue lies with the so-called “leadership” at National and in many Councils. Until the corrupted vermin are removed, I’m out.
I cannot and will not tacitly endorse those vermin by my continued participation.
SZ
I agree. When the moral compass breaks it's time to leave the ship.
(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)
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#0000FF
the only people who will “remove the vermin” are the people who stay in and challenge them
as a US naval hero once said “Don’t give up the ship”
good question
the choices boys make in this regard, the masculine role models they choose to follow and how and why, will serve them well for the rest of their lives, especially if they are ever called to military service or corporate leadership
after all, quite a few people followed Alexander the Great!
How? They didn't "listen" to anyone or the survey results prior to the "vote", what makes you believe they will now?
A typical organization like this will not lose those vermin unless the organization is in deep trouble financially.
The only way to make that happen is to starve the beast.
Do you believe that allowing an open and avowed homosexual to be the SPL, ASPL, PL, TG, APL, etc. of a Troop, sets a good moral example of leadership?
The “New Scout Patrol” usually has a TG as a coach/mentor for the young kids. If the TG is an open and avowed homosexual, he will have considerable influence over the impressionable development of those young boys, some as young as 10.5 years old.
Not only no but hell no! This is why I've folded my BSA tent and gone home. (And, as of today, so have the Southern Baptists. Wonder if the Mormons will stay or go?)
(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)
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The mormons signed off the policy change. The BSA National President is a mormon. I seriously doubt he would have gone against SLC's position in his push to have the change implemented. There's too much $$ at stake with the mormons.
This is why I believe National made the change only after they had been granted assurances by SLC that SLC would back the change.
The mormons are portrayed as some great advocate of Scouting because of their numbers. But those numbers are hollow. They register EVERY youth of Scouting age is who on their church membership roster at every ward, regardless of activity or participation.
So for example, BSA gets the money for 10 Scouts from the mormons but only has to support about 3-4 because the rest don't "use" any resources.
When you roll those numbers up to the actual figures, you can see how much $$ is at stake here.
maybe or maybe not
It depends on his lifestyle and it depends on his being asexual in his BS role, which many folks can actually do
A boy who is raised to believe that any homosexual, even one who is asexual in his conduct, is “immoral” is in for a very rough road by the time he is a teenager, in school, the workplace, the military and every other insitution in which he will have to find his way with people of all persuasions
Lifestyle choices involve more than sexual activity
My homosexual cousin (now deceased too young) was a strong steady funny self- deprecating compassionate young man with not the slightest interest in sexual behaviors around children, just like most hetero adults.
He was patient smart and fair, knew every fact in the world about plants and about weather and about military aircraft (long line of military in our family), and I believe boys would have found him to be a good advisor, as did his friends, both straight and homsexual
I don’t know what else to say about what inspires “leadership”.
Not all homosexuals parade the streets in leather chaps, you know. Or maybe you don’t know
This conversation is over...as a direct result of a feeble and peurile attempt to insult my intelligence.
Here's what I know...
I've never had any problem with individual homosexuals. The problem is the Homomob -- the same one whose project for the last couple of decades has been to destroy the BSA.
Now, thanks to them and people like you we get to see a treasured institution go dark.
(These are the thoughts of a one-time Boy Scout and the father of two Eagle Scouts.)
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