Posted on 06/07/2013 3:33:14 PM PDT by jazusamo
Sen. Marco Rubio said Friday that illegal immigrants will get legal status no matter what happens with border security, but said the Senate will have to stiffen enforcement in order to win the 60 votes needed to pass his bill through his chamber.
“Nobody is talking here about preventing legalization. Legalization will take place,” Mr. Rubio told Univision in an interview scheduled to air Sunday.
“First comes legalization, then comes this border security measure and then comes the permanent residency process. What we are talking about here is the permanent residency system,” the Florida Republican said, according to the English translation of the interview.
“Regarding legalization, a vast majority of my colleagues have already accepted that: that it must take place and that it must start at the same time we start with what has to do with security. That is not conditional. Legalization is not conditional.”
As one of the eight authors of the immigration bill, Mr. Rubio is fighting to keep it on track, arguing that it does not have the support to clear a filibuster in the Senate right now. But he said it could earn that support if his colleagues will do more to specify where security will be enhanced.
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Meanwhile, I've seen two polls of LEGAL Hispanics that show them against amnesty by roughly 2-to-1 (60-32, e.g.).
Indeed, McCain was and is a full-blown amnesty zealot.
In fact, support for amnesty, at best, might reduce the GOP candidate's losing margin of Hispanics, but even that is far from clear. I think it is true that Dem POTUS candidates benefit from amnesty promises.
GOP share of Hispanic vote in POTUS elections since 1980 SOURCE:
1980: 38 percent
1984: 37 percent
1988: 30 percent (after the 1986 amnesty!)
1992: 29 percent
1996: 23 percent
2000: 36 percent
2004 (GWB's second term, in which he pushed hard for amnesty): The "official" number is 43 percent, but almost all the polls were under 40%.
2008: 32 percent
2012: 28 percent
The sad thing is, that’s the only appeal we make to Hispanics, amnesty. Bush, McCain, Rubio..., these guys act as if they just fell of the turnip truck themselves.
Appeal to Hispanics on opportunity. Touch on family values, good schools, cutting crime, lowering taxes, the provision of better jobs..., essentially the same things you appeal to everyone else for.
You can’t outdo a Leftist. You can kid yourself that you can find more goodies to give to a group, but if a person wants a politician who is going to gift them something, they’ll go to the Democrats. They aren’t stupid.
We’re pretenders when it comes to gifting. The Democrats are the real thing. So when we let people in who have nothing, who are they going to vote for? Us or them?
Look at those figures for Reagan. He granted amnesty and lost 10% of the Hispanic vote. That sad fact tells today’s politicians nothing.
I think if Obama signs an amnesty bill he will get all the compassionate credit for it and it will be assumed that Republicans ONLY went along to get more workers for their contributers the businesses (CofC).
There is much truth to that, and it fits with the 2012 Romney theme that the richer you are the more of a job creater you are and so the more important you are.
Plus Hispanics disagree with Republicans on plenty, if they want to talk about votes they need to talk about that first before giving more the vote.
” Meanwhile, I’ve seen two polls of LEGAL Hispanics that show them against amnesty by roughly 2-to-1 (60-32, e.g.). “
Thus, you prove the BIG LIE!
” I am convinced that they all the believe the Dems are correct when they say that the GOP cannot (no chance to) win a POTUS election unless they convince Hispanics that they are for amnesty.”
Yeah, Democrats are just showing how to win, because they really care.......
Can anyone explain why, under what CONCEIVABLE argument, it would be in our interest to provide these illegals with ANYTHING?
I seriously don’t get it.
Hey, what are bipartisan buddies for? LOL.
We should roll out a really bad immigration bill every five years, vote it down and move on. Not my personal choice to fix the problem but the best option that's do-able in the current political environment.
It's not in our interest, but the courts ruled we have to provide schools, for example.
The GOPe is owned by corporate interests and the Chamber of Commerce. They want an unending supply of cheap, exploitable labor. It is all about the bottom line even if it destroys the country. Privatize the profits, and socialize the costs to the taxpayers.
Which the GOP has apparently swallowed whole.
One must conclude the “43%” for Bush is far too high given the narrowness of his win. I heard the real number was 38%.
Big swing towards Obama in 2012, the only reason he “won” Florida and topped 60% in Cali again.
If you remember the fight over the 2000 recount, Gore was demanding selective hand recounts in the four Florida counties he did best in. One of his best showings was in Miami-Dade, which is home to one of the biggest shares of Florida's Hispanic population. According to the 2000 census, 57.3% of the population in Miami-Dade is Hispanic or Latino origin, and Miami has one of the biggest concentrations of voters of Cuban ancestry in the country. Bush got around 46% of the vote in Miami-Dade (again, better than the “average” Republican... Romney got 38% against Obama in the same county in 2012) Still, the “Cuban vote” couldn't carry the ground zero location of the Elian Gonzales controversy for Bush, let alone the overall state or country as a whole.
Some polls had GWB in the low 30s among Hispanics in 2004.
Amnesty is to the GOP as the football that gets yanked away is to Charlie Brown. They fall for it every time.
Washington DC seems to cause dementia, and the longer they stay there the worse it gets. GWB had not really been there that long, but for a POTUS I guess the effect is stronger.
And Rubio just started out wrong.
The Cuban vote has been Republican. Only recently has it started to sour. Witness Obama winning FL-26 (which elected a rat over a scandal-plagued Republican) and FL-27 in 2012 whereas he lost them in 2008. He got over 60% in Miami-Dade, better than his showing in Palm Beach County!
Gore in 2000 got only 52.5% in Miami-Dade. I’m sure Bush won the Cuban vote that year also. Gore was trolling for Black votes in the recount.
I believe that the 2000 exit polls in FL gave Bush 83% of the Cuban vote, with high turnout. It was right after Clinton ordered Eián to be captured at gunpoint on Easter Sunday and sent him back to Castro’s Cuba; FL Cubans had flirted with voting for Clinton in 1996 after he signed Helms-Burton into law, giving Dole a relatively small majority.
The 2012 results were shocking, with Romney winning a slim majority of the Cuban vote in FL. That whole “immigration reform” bullshiite was seen as the culprit, which I believe is why Rubio has embarrassed himself pushing “reform.”
If it was that overwhelming in Bush's favor, I can't see how Gore wins Miami-Dade county at all. Blacks are around 20% of Miami-Dade's population, whereas Hispanics are nearly THREE TIMES higher, and close to 60% countywide in 2000, let alone the city of Miami proper (and I believe the vast majority are Cuban-Americans). I can't find any data on the ancestry of voters there, but the data for the breakdown of foreign-born residents certainly shows Cubans are far higher than any other immigrant group. Country of origin: Cuba (42%), Nicaragua (16%), Colombia (6%), Haiti (6%), the Dominican Republic (3%), etc.
Gore also realized the potential fallout and gave some song and dance that he was "against" deporting Elián (it might have lessened the backlash but I think most people realized Gore's position was for political purposes)
>> The 2012 results were shocking, with Romney winning a slim majority of the Cuban vote in FL. <<
I believe the exit polls showed Obama actually the Cuban vote by a very slim majority in 2012, which was a reversal of Cuban-Americans favoring Republicans since 2000. It was pretty close though. NBC Latino has the numbers as 49%-Obama, 47%-Romney. ( http://nbclatino.com/2012/11/09/surprise-obama-won-floridas-cuban-vote/ ) I think a big problem is a lot young voters of Cuban ancestry are liberal like their non-hispanic counterparts and support gay marriage.
A bit off topic, but speaking of gay marriage, I figured why Ileana Ros-Lehtinen continues to promote "gay rights" after being redistricted into a more conservative district... apparently her daughter Amanda is now calling herself "Rodrigo" and is a "transgender LGBT rights activist" (the media is playing along with the delusion and calling her daughter "he"). According to wikipedia (haven't verified it with other sources), she was the first Republican in the House to endorse gay marriage.
We seriously need to primary these RINOs. They are moving the GOP to the left. Even though Rubio has been a disappointment, the scary thing is he looks like Phyllis Schlafly compared to his house counterparts in Florida like Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. If she's "socially conservative", I'd hate to see what socially liberal looks like.
>> That whole “immigration reform” bullshiite was seen as the culprit, which I believe is why Rubio has embarrassed himself pushing “reform.” <<
So do you now believe Rubio has sold out on amnesty, or are you still taking a wait and see approach since the final version of the bill hasn't come up for a vote?
According to the 2000 Census, 57.3% of Miami-Dade residents were Hispanic, and only 28.87% of Miami-Dade residents were Cuban. http://www.miamidade.gov/business/library/reports/data-flash-hispanics-origin.pdf
Given that many Hispanics, including many Cubans, are non-citizens, I would guesstimate that the percentage of Miami-Dade County voters in 2000 who were Hispanic was not much higher than 50%, and the percentage of voters there who were Cuban was around 30%. And since the county not only has a large black population, but also a very liberal white Anglo population (mostly Jewish, who voted overwhelmingly for Gore-Lieberman), I see nothing strange about Bush getting 84% of the Cuban vote while getting only 46% in the county.
As for Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, I had no idea that her daughter was trying to change her sex (good luck with the Y-chromosome implantation, Amanda). She started supporting the gay lobby back in 2002 when Key West was added to her district, which already included South Beach; maybe her daughter’s condition also contributed to her veering left on that issue. Obviously it’s difficult for Ros-Lehtinen to claim to be a “social conservative” while supporting same-sex “marriage,” but it should be noted that she remains 100% pro-life and I believe is still pro-gun. Romney was held to 46.4% in the FL-27 (same as in the Dem-held FL-26), but Ros-Lehtinen remains untouchable in the general, so I doubt that FL Republicans will be seeking to oust her.
As you may recall, a transgendered, Cuban-American “woman” named “Donna Milo” ran in the GOP primary in FL-20 (the heavily Jewish Broward-Dade CD held by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz) in 2010 and got 22%: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/transgender-candidate-receives-22-in-gop-house-primary/62013/ Maybe “Donna” can get together with “Amanda/Rodrigo” Lehtinen.
I meant 83%, but maybe it was 84%. I definitely recall it being over 80%. In 2004 I think that it dipped to around 78% (even with Mel Martinez running for the Senate), and with a lower turnout—it was impossible to replicate the conditions of 2000 brought about by the Elián travesty. Had that photographer not captured that shot of the frightened Elián being hugged by Donato Dalrymple while Reno’s thug pointed a rifle at the boy’s face, Gore would have carried FL and been elected president.
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