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The Incredible Vanishing GOP Presidential Front-Runner
NPR ^ | June 05, 2013 | Alan Greenblatt

Posted on 06/05/2013 1:13:35 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: Ray76
Read Title 8 in full. The phrase “natural born” NEVER OCCURS.

You're right. Then why this emphasis on natural born citizen?

81 posted on 06/05/2013 2:43:50 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: 2nd Amendment

Rubio is a useful idiot of the left. His ego is bigger than his brain.


82 posted on 06/05/2013 2:43:59 PM PDT by Fledermaus (The Republican Party is dead. Let's not pretend otherwise.)
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To: nickcarraway

The law as constructed applies to not only natural born citizens but also to naturalized citizens.

In theory, it is possible for someone to become a US citizen (naturalized) but because of their work reside outside of the US. Perhaps never even setting foot on US soil. Rare but can happen.

For the sake of this argument, assume that person is British and has never left British soil. Later, they then marry a local and have a kid. This statue would prevent citizenship from passing to the kid by birth.

Now for case #2. Same person but they spend 5 years in the US, then return to their country of birth. Later, they have a kid. I that case, citizenship would pass by birth.

Bizarre and immigration laws are almost synonyms of each other.


83 posted on 06/05/2013 2:46:08 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: luvbach1

Perhaps. A new third-party. Or leaving the presidential ballot blank. It’s a bridge I’ve already crossed. When the GOP convention snubbed Palin and outlawed the very words “tea party” from being spoken, that was the final nail for me. It became clear and apparent the Party no longer represented my views or my values.

If the GOP serves up a Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, etc., it will be an easy “adios.” No consternation whatsoever.


84 posted on 06/05/2013 2:46:18 PM PDT by greene66
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To: nickcarraway
It's ridiculously, absurdly early to talk about 2016 presidential politics. Only a fool would try to predict who will be the next Republican nominee just seven months after the last election for the White House.

Or, for that matter, seven months before the NEXT election. But, be that as it may - RAND FOR PREZ!
85 posted on 06/05/2013 2:47:21 PM PDT by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: Ray76

Careful, if you take away the statue, then NO ONE is a natural born citizen. Subsection A is what determines that US Citizenship is automatically granted to someone born on US soil.

Naturalized require an act of naturalization. Cruz does not require naturalization as at the time of his birth, he was a citizen and no naturalization is required.


86 posted on 06/05/2013 2:49:31 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: greene66
If the GOP serves up a Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, etc., it will be an easy “adios.” No consternation whatsoever.

Again, can't blame you. Then prepare to settle in for a a long siege of Hildebeast. I'd take a flawed Rubio over the beastly one.

87 posted on 06/05/2013 2:50:40 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: luvbach1
Article II of the Constitution requires a "natural born citizen".
U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl 5.

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Obviously there is a difference between citizen and natural born citizen or Article II would not be written as it is.
88 posted on 06/05/2013 2:53:19 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: taxcontrol

It has never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.

No natural born citizen is ever a statutory citizen, and vice versa.


89 posted on 06/05/2013 2:59:21 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

typo:

It has never been doubted...


90 posted on 06/05/2013 3:01:26 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

The Const. also does not provide a definition of “NBC” and leaves it to Congress to set laws regarding citizenship. There are ZERO laws in the United States Code or Code of Federal Regulations that differentiate between a “NBC” and a person who acquires citizenship by birth.

Although there is no SCOTUS case directly on point, the likelihood that the court would draw such a distinction after 200+ years is about zero as well.


91 posted on 06/05/2013 3:07:30 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: luvbach1

Krispy Kreme hasn’t been sucking zero’s a$$ for nothing.... he needs his endorsement to win in 16. Just watch, he’ll lose 100 lbs winning the Oprah vote, Independents and 40% of lite Rs.

I believe he and POSHITUS are conspiring to keep Thighness out of ‘16.


92 posted on 06/05/2013 3:12:51 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Lou Budvis

Acquiring citizenship by birth is not the same as acquiring citizenship at birth by statute.

In regard to citizenship Congress can only pass naturalization acts. If you are contending that a naturalized person is a natural born citizen then there is no purpose whatsoever for the grandfather clause of Article II. Such a construction is not only nonsensical it violates the rules of construction.


93 posted on 06/05/2013 3:15:13 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: nickcarraway
"Historically, Republican Party politics have all been about whose turn it was," Felkel says, "and that hasn't worked too well for us."

No Chit, Cherlock.

94 posted on 06/05/2013 3:21:04 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: DallasSun
If one wants to think of him as the lesser of evils that is fine.

Excuse me, but what the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

You sound like someone who's missed the proverbial train at the station. Marco Rubio has proven himself to be a pathetic RINO, if not a stealth Democrat, i.e., an utter fraud.

Whatever good will and conservative credentials he may have once possessed, have now gone up in smoke, because of his recent push to grant amnesty to illegal aliens.

If you run really fast, you might still catch that train.

95 posted on 06/05/2013 3:23:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: taxcontrol

Ted Cruz’ circumstance of birth only qualifies him as a Citizen - not a Natural Born Citizen (born on U.S. soil to two American citizens).

I strongly disagree that the only requirement for NBC is birth to one American born citizen of the proper age and length of residency.


96 posted on 06/05/2013 3:28:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Under title 8 section 1401 subsection G the circumstances of Cruz’s birth do in fact, qualify him as a natural born citizen.

Natural born does not mean born on US soil to two US citizens. Natural born means that there is not a need for naturalization to be a citizen.

Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution enumerates the powers of Congress and in that section, specifically states that Congress shall establish the rules for naturalization. This include both those that need naturalization and those that are nationals and citizens from birth. Title 8 section 1401 is the enactment of that Constitutional authority.


97 posted on 06/05/2013 3:33:06 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: chesty_puller

Free Republic also did its best to destroy Mitt Romney.


98 posted on 06/05/2013 3:34:25 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: nickcarraway

If Jeb Bush chooses to run, he’ll be the nominee.


99 posted on 06/05/2013 3:36:14 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: 2nd Amendment

1. Palin - has the background to instantly be in the front of the race if she decides to run.

2. Cruz - coming up fast with the base, hated by left-media, would be fun to watch.

3. Rubio - probably hurt himself fatally with his embrace of immigration reform

4. Paul Ryan - lost as VP w/ McCain, so not much to run on.

5. Rand Paul - strangely, almost the front runner at this point, due to name recognition and getting into the race so early.

6. Allan West - lost his House seat. So probably not really positioned to win POTUS.

7. Bachmann - could try again but wasn’t that impressive the first time through (and she is the only candidate I gave money to, so it’s not like I’m Bachmann bashing)


100 posted on 06/05/2013 3:39:03 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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