Posted on 05/27/2013 9:02:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I might also add that Vatican II council consisted of many theologians and philosophers. Among them the then Cardinal K. Vojtyla, the future Pope John Paul II, who was Polish and who witnessed the Nazi as well as the communist takeover of that country, and first hand.
many of his friends and family were killed in that situation, and because of it.
He knew the dangers as well as the philosophy of communism and Marxism better than people seem to want to know.
And this is from Wikipedia (don’t forget he’s up there with m Thatcher and Reagan):
“John Paul II was acclaimed as one of the most influential leaders of the 20th century. He is credited with helping to end Communist rule in his native Poland and eventually all of Europe. . . Though criticised for upholding the Church’s teachings against artificial contraception and the ordination of women, and for his support of the Church’s Second Vatican Council and its reform, he was also praised for his firm, orthodox Catholic stances. He is also renowned for his implementation of several papal documents pertaining to the role of the Church in the modern world”
Sure, Care to say something about your Catholic bashing?:
“I wish it were true, if you mean the Roman Catholic church according to the flesh (kata sarkos). Some “ideal church” which doesn’t count the perved priests, I suppose so. I can say that there would be a holy stir if this new Pope Francis decided to pay some of these gay parishes a personal visit to call them out on it. The internet has made the world small, this is not like St. Peter’s world.”
Well, JCP never was dedicated to spiritual integrity. The BSA was, in principle, and homosexuality is an outright attack upon spiritual integrity (launched from hell).
At the same time we must mix this with a Christian world view. As much as God makes it possible to us, love the sinner and hate the sin, which means do what we can in love and wisdom to try to separate the two without destroying the sinner.
Your post adds great impact to the discussion. Since the Catholic Church has done much to encourage the Boy Scouts in its parishes, how it deals with this latest turn of events will be one to watch. I have confidence they are not taking it lightly.
If I am unaware of events where Pope Francis did this in his office as pope, then I apologize for the gap in my knowledge and am cheered to learn that my view was flawed. You seemed to point out things he did prior to becoming pope. I hope he would keep it up now. But with previous popes, this has been well discussed in FR and we didn’t see it happening, if it did. This is meant by way of a helpful criticism, unless you view the pope as a stone statue or something that can only be praised or cursed and never influenced by prayer or otherwise.
The Mormons support getting more money, they opposed prop 8 yet support gay scouts because their affiliation with the BSA is a great retention tool. They have their 30 pieces of silver already spent...
And, if the shoe DOES fit you... then wear it, well actually get your foot fixed at the Doctor then get a better shoe.
Well I sure hope it does not end up with a bunch of high minded sounding compromise with the world. Some may view this as bashing and I can’t help them if they do.
Watch them.
Natl. Cath. Register.
I am shocked. Shocked! Who could have seen this coming? Duh.
LOL! When can the young things start earning their “Kali Yuga” merit badges?
I found this article in the National Catholic Register to be an excellent one on the subject:
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/boys-scouts-of-america-lifts-ban-on-homosexual-scouts/
The Boy Scouts are not dead. They are merely pining for the fjords.
The Catholic church will never change its stance on homosexuality and gender.
The US Church, is to adhere to the Holy See, the Vatican, and it tends to get a little off track as it struggles with pressure fro all sides.
I like to watch those who keep that in mind.
my own Pastor, Cardinal Chaput, of Philadelphia, Cardinal Burke, who is in Rome at the Vatican and ALL of the good priests and theologians regularly featured on Catholic radio and EWTN TV.
It is very nuanced when figuring out why they can comment on certain political, social issues, and not at all on others.
Confusing. It sounds like it is in a don’t ask don’t tell mode acceptable to religious groups and objectionable to LGBT.
Is that the case, and the media is trying to spin it otherwise?
Not going to happen. BSA National, i.e., the professionals in Irving, TX, have become subjects to their corporate donors who dominate the ~23 member National Executive Committee. The next National President will be elected at the annual National Council business meeting 1 year from now. It is expected to be Randall Stephenson, who is currently a V-P on the BSA National Executive Committee, and just happens to be CEO of AT&T. AT&T's corporate HQ is in Dallas, not far at all from BSA National HQ in Irving, TX. Randall Stephenson was very instrumental in making this membership rule change happen. Judging by the 61-39% vote, there are not enough conservative councils, out of ~ 294 total, to mount a credible effort to dumb the National Executive Committee.
Evil will never stop until they remove all moral authority over good!
Well, we can hope that this elitist BSA board is as blindsided as the board @ J.C. Penney. They, too, thought they could ram the homosexual agenda on JCP’s commoner customer base without consequences. They learned.
A few points to keep in perspective ...
1. The BSA policy goes into effect 7 months from now. Something can happen between now and then.
2. There is an outside chance the Roman Catholic Church may still balk at this change. Especially when they realize that the homosexualists are going to the wall for inclusion of homosexual adult leaders.
3. How will the SCOTUS rulings break next month on Prop 8 and DoMA?
4. The BSA National Executive Committee, ~23 members, are totally in the bag for diversity/homosexual equality. Most of these guys are big suits at Fortune 500 Companies which are in the bag of the Human Rights Campaign for homosexual equality, e.g., Randall Stephenson CEO of AT&T, James Turley CEO of Ernst & Young, Rex Tillerson CEO of Exxon-Mobil. The current BSA National President, Wayne Perry, sold his company to AT&T and is a lifelong member of the LDS Church. It is extremely unlikely that a coup can be mounted against the National Executive Committee.
5. Arguing with your local BSA professionals is pointless. They will toe the company line because that is where their paycheck, health care and retirement benefits are.
6. Keep an eye on John Stemberger and OnMyHonor.Net. They may well come up with a strategy this summer.
7. Get your Eagle Scout prospects through before 1/01/2014.
8. Inform yourself of other conservative youth group options: (1) Royal Rangers, (2) Christian Service Brigade, (3) Royal Rangers, (4) Marine Corps League, (5) Calvinist Cadet Corps, and (6) Young Minutemen of America. The Baden-Powell Scout Association is not an option. They do not discriminate against sexual orientation.
9. Hit the local councils where it hurts - in the pocket book. (1) Discontinue contributing to FoS (Friends of Scouting), (2) discontinue selling/buying Trails End Popcorn - local councils get ~ 30% commission on every sale, (3) if possible, discontinue contributing to the United Way - local councils depend on the UW's annual contributions. Yes, you will hurt some good not-for-profit groups out there that receive UW funding, but the UW today is virtually totally occupied with diversity.
10. If you have the option, you might choose not to buy products/services from companies that support homosexual equality.
http://issuu.com/humanrightscampaign/docs/hrc-cei-2011-final
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