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Birmingham area parents and pastors speak out on Boy Scouts (Largest PCA church against gay scouts)
al.com ^ | 5/24/2013 | Kent Faulk

Posted on 05/24/2013 10:33:13 PM PDT by darrellmaurina

...Churches have been perhaps the biggest supporters of scouting groups. But today a few pastors in the Birmingham area predicted that the new policy will cause some churches to drop their sponsorship of scouting programs.

The Rev. Harry Reeder, senior pastor of the 4,100-member Briarwood Presbyterian Church and outspoken critic of efforts to change Boy Scout policy on homosexuality, said evangelical churches are a bedrock of support for the Boy Scout tradition in Alabama. But that's now in danger, he said.

"When a church holds to a biblical social ethic of sex only between a man and a woman in monogamous marriage, it cannot support an organization that opposes that," Reeder said. "That would introduce sexual anarchy into the teaching of the church. There will be a significant response from evangelical churches."...

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1 posted on 05/24/2013 10:33:13 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
The scouts rely on funding from corporations, particularly through United Way contributions, he said.

The love of money....... evil.

It's all about the money.

2 posted on 05/24/2013 10:38:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: darrellmaurina

Cue the sobfest news stories about the poor, discriminated-against, gay Boy Scouts and the evil evangelical tyrants.

This is a set-up.


3 posted on 05/24/2013 10:39:37 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: darrellmaurina

In the military sexual assaults by males on other males is increasing, and so it will be in the Boy Scouts, stop giving any money to any group that supports the Gay Scouts of America.


4 posted on 05/24/2013 10:50:22 PM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
Pinging the Great Reformed Ping List, and some other “social conservative” Freepers who may be able to use this in their own Christian conservative denominational contexts.

This is a big deal for the Presbyterian Church in America, which is by far the largest of the conservative Presbyterian denominations in the United States. It could also be a very big deal for fixing what is wrong with Scouting.

Dr. Reeder pastors the largest congregation in the PCA, Briarwood Presbyterian Church of Birmingham, Alabama, and now that Dr. D. James Kennedy has died, Dr. Reeder is probably the most prominent politically active conservative among the pastors of large PCA congregations.

I am not unaware of issues at Briarwood Presbyterian Church. There are reasons why I am not PCA. However, Dr. Reeder is on the right side of this issue with Scouting and he deserves to get support, not only from conservative Calvinists but also from others who want to promote a Christian alternative to the homosexual agenda in Scouting.

My personal recommendation for Calvinists — contact the Calvinist Cadet Corps, which is an independent organization that began long ago as a Christian Reformed alternative to Scouting but now has quite a few United Reformed, Orthodox Presbyterian, and other more conservative Reformed and Presbyterian congregations participating. A large influx of PCA churches could make a major difference and provide an already existing alternative to Scouting that was created specifically because Scouting has always, since the days of Baden-Powell, had a generic nondenominational approach to religion.

More information on the Calvinist Cadet Corps can be found at this Free Republic link:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3023193/posts?page=399#399

Similar faith-based organizations also exist for the Southern Baptist Convention, Assemblies of God, and Seventh Day Adventists. Any of them would likely be willing to accept former Scouting organizations and leaders in churches affiliated with their denominations.

5 posted on 05/24/2013 10:51:01 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
Gavin Slay, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Hewitt-Trussville High School, is an Eagle Scout in Troop 915, based in Trussville. He has been scouting since the first grade. He supports yesterday's decision. "For me, scouting is about openness and inclusiveness," he said. "Part of the scout law is about being courteous, kind, cheerful. We're encouraged to include everyone. I think this decision is an extension of that."

This is exactly what we are up against! This scout is so stupid he doesn't even know the Scout motto about MORALITY! He drank the LGBT Fool-Aid! The Scouts are not encouraged to include "EVERYONE!" They are only encouraged to join ranks with those who can recite the Scout OATH with truthfulness and honor!

6 posted on 05/24/2013 10:51:33 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: darrellmaurina
The Boy Scouts have been under target by homosexual activists for a long time. It started when gays demanded the "right" to become scout leaders, and were rightfully refused. By the way, why do you suppose a gay man would want to be a Boy Scout leader? I just can't figure it out... Anyway, if those who organize the Boy Scout are now yielding to their pressure, it's time to abandon them or call them the Trans-gender Scouts. Not of America, but from Hell.
7 posted on 05/24/2013 10:54:14 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: P-Marlowe

If one does not love money, if one is not too proud to wear pants with holes in them as I am now, if one is unfraid of the IRS for daring to earn money to support a family two years ago at a much higher income than one has now, if one has lost his family, his car, his job, his children, his dignity, his everything... then one has little fear of what little else man might take from him, including his freedom or his life.


8 posted on 05/24/2013 10:57:24 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: darrellmaurina

Need to find out who voted in support of the Gay scouts. Identify them by name and then target them. (This is what Liberals would do)


9 posted on 05/24/2013 10:58:36 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Democrats: Robbing Peter to buy Paul's vote.)
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To: stockpirate

Amen!


10 posted on 05/24/2013 11:00:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: darrellmaurina

I was a Cub Scout, Boy Scout, Explorer, and a Sea Scout..
Never once did it become GROINAL..

Groin Scouts are an aberration.. by Chicken Hawks..
NO.. Chicken Hawks are not in it for the betterment of Scouting..
They are in this for the betterment of Chicken Hawks..

What do chicken hawks DO!?.... YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW!..
But its GROINAL...


11 posted on 05/24/2013 11:13:19 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: darrellmaurina

I am only counting regular Boy Scouts, not Cubs or Explorers, etc.:

There are about 40,000 troops nationwide - 60% of them are Church-affiliated. Thats 24,000 troops. If 50% decide to drop out - thats 12,000 out.

According to the BSA, the average troop is 20 Scouts. This means that 240,000 could drop out at the 50% rate.

According to the BSA, there are about 800,000 regular Boy Scouts. The loss of 240,000 would mean a 30% loss of membership ...


12 posted on 05/24/2013 11:15:10 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: darrellmaurina
5 ... This is a big deal for the Presbyterian Church in America, which is by far the largest of the conservative Presbyterian denominations in the United States. It could also be a very big deal for fixing what is wrong with Scouting.

Selected U.S. churches membership (2010) reported in the 2012 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches.

Catholic 68,202,492
Southern Baptist 16,136,044
United Methodist 7,679,850
Mormon-LDS 6,157,238
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America 4,274,855
Assemblies of God 3,030,944
Presbyterian (U.S.A.) 2,675,873
Lutheran - Missouri Synod 2,278,586
Episcopal 1,951,907
Presbyterian Church in America 346,814

The PCA is a tiny player on the national stage in terms of numbers.

Dr. Reeder pastors the largest congregation in the PCA, Briarwood Presbyterian Church of Birmingham, Alabama, and now that Dr. D. James Kennedy has died, Dr. Reeder is probably the most prominent politically active conservative among the pastors of large PCA congregations.

Briarwood was where the PCA was founded in the early 1970s when a schism took place in the Presbyterian Church. Briarwood PCA is 1 of several BIG fish Boy Scout troops in the tiny pond of the Vulcan District (southeast quadrant of Jefferson County/Birmingham) of the Greater Alabama Council. Briarwood is a mega-church. Its troop, at least 10 years ago, had 100+ youth members.

I am not unaware of issues at Briarwood Presbyterian Church. There are reasons why I am not PCA. However, Dr. Reeder is on the right side of this issue with Scouting and he deserves to get support, not only from conservative Calvinists but also from others who want to promote a Christian alternative to the homosexual agenda in Scouting.

Briarwood probably has an equal number of admirers and detractors in the local community. It will be very interesting to watch what decision the PCA reaches.

13 posted on 05/24/2013 11:42:29 PM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton
No disagreement on the PCA being small in terms of the church world, but it's far and away the largest of the conservative Presbyterian denominations. The PCA also has an influence in the evangelical world which goes far beyond its numbers.

While I am much more conservative than Briarwood Presbyterian Church, or the PCA in general, a movement to promote a Reformed alternative to Scouting needs to be led by a “big steeple” church in a major Reformed denomination. Dr. Reeder and the leaders of Briarwood PCA may be exactly the right people to do that.

My guess is that a lot of similar people are going to be standing up in the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assemblies of God to promote Royal Rangers and Royal Ambassadors as a place where disaffected Scouts and church-sponsored Scout troops can join.

14 posted on 05/24/2013 11:55:01 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: missnry
6 ... This is exactly what we are up against! This scout is so stupid he doesn't even know the Scout motto about MORALITY! He drank the LGBT Fool-Aid! ...

Instead of blaming this 17 year-old scout, I place the blame on the public education system. Even here in AL, which was rated just below OK in terms of being the most politically conservative state in the union, we have to contend with diversity/political correctness. The public schools are poisoned to the gills by these teachers.

Ten years ago I was a member of an Episcopal Church in the Birmingham suburbs and active in Scouting (I left ECUSA a short while later). We had a young scout in our congregation who was a delight to know. He got his Eagle and was recognized with the Vigil Honor. He went on to graduate from Furman University and went through the ROTC program there. He went into the Army upon graduation and pulled a 6-month tour in Afghanistan as an LT with the MPs. He was wounded and decorated with the Purple Heart. After many years we crossed paths when he was 27. He told me he was giving serious consideration to going to an Episcopal seminary to become a minister. I prepared a long white paper for him in an attempt to disuade him. Don't know if he read it. I saw him a few months ago and he has taken a position with the U.S. Marshall Service. So, maybe something I wrote gave him second thoughts. The point of this lengthy story is that this young man was a great kid, but he was filled with political correctness in public school.

Our local newspaper, The Birmingham News, is an absolute sewer of diversity propaganda. It truly has become a "5th column." I weep for my nation when I read the ignorance splattered on the editorial page and letters to the editor.

15 posted on 05/25/2013 12:00:03 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: P-Marlowe
The scouts rely on funding from corporations, particularly through United Way contributions, he said.

The love of money....... evil.
It's all about the money.

I have been involved in scouting for most of my life. I have never been part of a troop that has received the slightest bit of funding from a corporation. But we've supported many corporation through 'fundraising' drives where we sell over-priced merchandise and keep a tiny portion of the proceeds. I've seen trust funds set up for troops that had survived for 40-50 years swallowed up by councils which drained it in months.

I've seen councils claim poverty from supposed large payouts for victims - who only got hit with those large suits because they grabbed all the monies set aside for camps, activities and troops and made a healthy target for lawyers to drain.

I've attended a retirement dinner for the head of one council, and drew a few boos and quite a lot of clapping when I urged him to do what he should have done when he lead the council and turn over the retirement money back to the troops, and set an example to end all retirements and benefits for volunteers.

And I've fought tooth and nail to end professional scouting, AKA 'we will do anything for money' whoring to corporations, service groups and anyone else who might write a check.

Scouting only works if it is what it was designed to be; a volunteer organization run by community minded people, in a reverent and thoughtful manner. Instead it is run by a professional cadre which has managed to lose billions in lawsuits, billions more in heavy benefits payouts, and watched hundreds of camps close across the nation.

All that said, scouting is asexual. No scout is supposed to be classified as being heterosexual or homosexual; sexual conduct is contrary to the scouting way. But now the door is open for the next generation of pedophiles to fill the ranks, and set up the next round of lawsuits.

Homosexuals have been part of scouting in the past, leaving a massive trail of abused children in its wake. And once again, they are back. All to feed the professional organization, and with zero funds actually reaching the troops. End professional scouting, do not support financially in any shape or manner any council which has any professional staff. Only support volunteer led groups. Get the sickness out of scouting, and there's a chance that this new policy might not lead to thousands more victims.

16 posted on 05/25/2013 12:02:59 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: darrellmaurina
14 ... My guess is that a lot of similar people are going to be standing up in the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assemblies of God to promote Royal Rangers and Royal Ambassadors as a place where disaffected Scouts and church-sponsored Scout troops can join.

Agreed. The next 7 months will be mighty interesting to watch.

17 posted on 05/25/2013 12:03:39 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: PetroniusMaximus

That kind of emotional scenario leads to criminalizing traditional religious beliefs as “hate crime.”


18 posted on 05/25/2013 12:08:43 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: darrellmaurina

BSA now stands for... Bend over Say, Awwww...


19 posted on 05/25/2013 12:12:13 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Lmo56
12 am only counting regular Boy Scouts, not Cubs or Explorers, etc.: There are about 40,000 troops nationwide - 60% of them are Church-affiliated. Thats 24,000 troops. If 50% decide to drop out - thats 12,000 out. According to the BSA, the average troop is 20 Scouts. This means that 240,000 could drop out at the 50% rate. According to the BSA, there are about 800,000 regular Boy Scouts. The loss of 240,000 would mean a 30% loss of membership ...

On 4/19/2013, the BSA National Executive Committee released its summary of the results of 8 different study groups conducted in MAR/APR 2013. ...

The summary of findings said a policy change would cost the Scouts a minimum of 100,000 to 350,000 members (across all programs, i.e., Tiger-Cubs, Cubs, Webelos, Boy Scouts, Varsity Scouts, and Venturers). “It is believed any gain in membership because of a change to the membership policy related to youth and adults would be in the range of 10,000 to 20,000 youth.”

The total BSA membership at the end of 2012 was 2.6 million. So their worst projection was a loss of 13%. It would appear that the BSA National Executive Committee found that level of collateral damage to be acceptable.

20 posted on 05/25/2013 12:13:17 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Near as I can figure from December 2012 data for ALL BSA units [Cubs, Webelos, Boy Souts, etc.]:

76322 out of 107284 units are church-affiliated.

1646256 out of 2618163 total youths are church-affiliated.

All things being equal, a 50% loss of church-affiliates would be 38166 units and 823128 youths ...


21 posted on 05/25/2013 1:12:02 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: darrellmaurina
... a few pastors in the Birmingham area predicted that the new policy will cause some churches to drop their sponsorship of scouting programs.

The word "some" ought to be "ALL".

22 posted on 05/25/2013 3:50:46 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: kingu

You are so correct;the professionals ruin all voluntary and co-operative efforts.

Professionals demand huge salaries like their fellow leeches in the Red Cross and Goodwill ,basically perverting the original service goal to that of providing high-pay jobs for themselves and their friends.

I have also seen farm, electric, and telephone co-operatives turn from affordable basic services to their owner-members to promoting all kinds of un-needed,expensive changes at the behest of professional managers hired by boards of directors who succumbed to the fallacy that an industry “expert” is always better than the local person.

And those co-ops have either ceased to exist or become indistinguishable from other corporations.

By accepting open homosexuality ,American society has embraced failure.


23 posted on 05/25/2013 4:16:24 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Lmo56

There is only one problem with your numbers, there are many churches who have said that homosexuality is acceptable. They will not drop the boy scout troops.


24 posted on 05/25/2013 5:08:10 AM PDT by she geek
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To: stockpirate

I wouldn’t be surprised if sooner rather than later the GSA - Gay Scouts of America - merges with the GSA - the Girl Scouts of America - since the Girl Scouts are run by lesbians.


25 posted on 05/25/2013 5:12:02 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“The Boy Scouts have been under target by homosexual activists for a long time.”

Look at the bigger picture.

The homosexuals have been targeting every male-dominated pillar of society for the past 100 or so years. The BSA is just its latest victim.


26 posted on 05/25/2013 5:15:14 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Lmo56

The Boy Scouts of Canada lost 54% of their Boy Scout membership.


27 posted on 05/25/2013 5:17:08 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: she geek

How many churches denominations in America say it is acceptable? And their membership numbers?


28 posted on 05/25/2013 5:22:59 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Understood, yes this is intended as a set up. It’s vintage gay-Alinsky. However, and let us pray as strongly as we can (confession: easy enough for me to say) that God may allow this to be a set up for a waterloo, not for churches and Christians that have stayed faithful, but for “principalities and powers.”


29 posted on 05/25/2013 6:09:36 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: MacNaughton

I wonder if any of the “study groups” foresaw a snowball effect? Where a ball of consternation grows and the so called “100th monkey” effect kicks in? (I am not calling conservatives monkeys, but something needs to get them off their dime and maybe this is it, or a piece of it, by divine plan.)


30 posted on 05/25/2013 6:11:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well said. May the change in policy bring forth a result that the Corruptors did not envision.


31 posted on 05/25/2013 7:42:20 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
25 I wouldn’t be surprised if sooner rather than later the GSA - Gay Scouts of America - merges with the GSA - the Girl Scouts of America - since the Girl Scouts are run by lesbians.

You may very well be onto something here. Historically, the 2 organizations really haven't gotten along that well. It goes back to the founding of the BSA in 1910. That same year, the Camp Fire Girls were in the process of organizing. BSA gave them a hand cause BSA saw them as their natural sister organization. Two years later Girl Scouts-USA was founded. There was always friction between BSA and GS-USA over the use of the term "Scout". BSA's 1916 Congressional Charter essentially gave them a copyright on the word in the U.S. This was obviated in 1950 when the GS-USA got their Congressional Charter.

Interestingly, BSA's patron, Waite Phillips, who bequeathed 127,00 acres of his ranch in north cental NM between 1938-41 (which became Philmont Scout Ranch) later made a similar offer to the Camp Fire Girls and the Girl Scouts-USA if they would merge their organizations. They declined the offer.

3/12/2012– The GS-USA celebrated its centennial anniversary. An anniversary event called “Girl Scouts Rock the Mall” was held later in the year on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., and drew 250,000 people. The national HQ announced in 2012 an organization-wide campaign to raise U.S.$1-billion by 2017 — U.S.$100-million by the national office and U.S.$900-million by the local councils. The money will help pay for a new advocacy campaign to promote leadership activities for girls both in the U.S. and abroad, e.g., to encourage more of them to pursue science careers. The council consolidation plan, which was approved in 2006 and completed in 2010, added 1,850 employees to the pension plan. Many pension plans are suffering now because of the low interest rates that were introduced after the SEP 2008 financial crisis to help heal the bad economy. Some local councils brought a lawsuit against the national HQ charging that it exacerbated the plan’s problems by offering extra financial incentives to people who opted to take early retirement as a way to soften the blow of merger-related layoffs. The pension plan deficit has now ballooned to more than U.S.$400-million, and councils are being asked to set aside a growing percentage of their payroll to cover the losses.

Between 2003-2012, GS-USA suffered a membership decline from 2,868,085 to 2,291,425 - a 20% decline.

There is already discussion about morphing the co-ed Venturing program into all of the BSA program areas. Apparently this has already happened in other countries. As financial resources/donations become more scare in the Obama Economy, one could see a financial case made to merge BSA and GS-USA. It would be a colossal mistake, but hey, BSA just made 1, why not got for 2?.

32 posted on 05/25/2013 10:05:50 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: HiTech RedNeck
20 I wonder if any of the “study groups” foresaw a snowball effect? Where a ball of consternation grows and the so called “100th monkey” effect kicks in? (I am not calling conservatives monkeys, but something needs to get them off their dime and maybe this is it, or a piece of it, by divine plan.)

We'll likely never know. The National Executive Committee is made up of ~23 members, many of them CEOs and the like. Doubtful they got their hands dirty in the analysis. It would be reasonable to presume that the study groups contracted some of the analyses out to professional organizations. We shall see if a snowball effect transpires over the next 7 months before the new membership policy becomes effective.

33 posted on 05/25/2013 10:10:23 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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34 posted on 05/25/2013 10:12:33 AM PDT by narses
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To: she geek
There is only one problem with your numbers, there are many churches who have said that homosexuality is acceptable. They will not drop the boy scout troops.

It is not about churches - its about congregations. The national church may say it is ok, but individual congregations may balk.

You gotta remember that the BSA is a volunteer-led organization. The individual congregation [ie: the pastor] may say it is ok, but he still has to have volunteer congregants to lead the troop.

This is no different than individual congregations revolting over birth control, ordination of women, etc.

There is a schism brewing on the horizon for the BSA ...

35 posted on 05/25/2013 10:36:29 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; she geek
28 How many churches denominations in America say it is acceptable? And their membership numbers?

According to the BSA 2012 Annual Report to the Nation, 63.6% of all youth registerd in the BSA are members of units chartered to religious institutions. The top 6 largest churches (by registered youth) are ...

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 26.2%
United Methodist Church 22.1%
Catholic Church 16.6%
Presbyterian Church (PC-USA, PCA, others) 7.6%
Lutheran Church (ELCA, LC-MS, LC-WS) 7.1%
Baptist Churches (SBC and all others) 6.6%

According to the 2012 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches, the top 25 largest churches and their memberships are ...

1. Catholic Church 68,202,492
They still ordain celibate homosexuals. They do not marry homosexuals but will accept homosexual members who are attempting to remain celibate.

2. Southern Baptist 16,136,044
They do not ordain or marry homosexuals, but will accept homosexual members who are attempting to remain celibate.

3. United Methodist 7,679,850
They do not ordain or marry homosexuals, but will accept homosexual members who are attempting to remain celibate. A real possibility that this denomination will go through a schism soon over the issue of homosexuality.

4. Mormon-LDS 6,157,238
They do not ordain or marry homosexuals, but will accept homosexual members who are attempting to remain celibate.

7. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America 4,274,855
They do ordain open homosexuals. Moving in the direction of marrying homosexual couples.

9. Assemblies of God 3,030,944
They do not ordain or marry homosexuals, but will accept homosexual members who are attempting to remain celibate.

10. Presbyterian (U.S.A.) 2,675,873
They do ordain open homosexuals. Moving in the direction of marrying homosexual couples.

13. Lutheran - Missouri Synod 2,278,586
They do not ordain or marry homosexuals, but will accept homosexual members who are attempting to remain celibate.

14. Episcopal 1,951,907
They ordain homosexuals and marry homosexual couples.

24. United Church of Christ 1,058,423
They ordain homosexuals and marry homosexual couples.

Presbyterian Church in America 346,814

36 posted on 05/25/2013 10:42:41 AM PDT by MacNaughton
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To: MacNaughton

Here I was just joking around and it may actually may become a reality!


37 posted on 05/25/2013 11:49:28 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: darrellmaurina
BSA Soap-on-a-rope. Don't leave camp without it.


38 posted on 05/25/2013 12:19:07 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: darrellmaurina

They should end their support and join one of the alternative organizations.


39 posted on 05/25/2013 12:28:45 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: stockpirate

How long before the BSA gets gay scout leaders and federal funding?


40 posted on 05/25/2013 12:29:17 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: darrellmaurina
We used to worry about queer scout leaders preying on the boys. Now we'll have to worry about older boys preying on the younger ones. Sickening.
41 posted on 05/25/2013 1:07:07 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: MacNaughton

2014, the year of the time bombs, Obamacare-in-earnest and gay Scouts.


42 posted on 05/25/2013 1:43:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Army Air Corps

There is some room to act here, though not a huge amount of it. Maybe these brave Scout leaders were a little chicken, hoping to get rescued by somebody else before it has to happen.

If I were king what would I want to set in motion? Well I would make every emphasis upon the deliverance of former homosexuals from sin. They have tended to hang back and not be very voluble witnesses, except to one another. Perhaps the good Lord has said this needs to change and He’s ready to pour out the power when “they overcome [Satan] by the blood of the Lamb AND BY THEIR TESTIMONY”. Hello Exodus International et al., this means you....


43 posted on 05/25/2013 2:12:44 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: narses
Thanks for pinging this out, Narses!
44 posted on 05/25/2013 8:20:41 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

What are some of the best alternative programs to the Boy Scouts?


45 posted on 05/25/2013 8:58:15 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2; MacNaughton
Good question, TBW. I think there are other Freepers who can give better answers evaluating the major alternatives.

I think this article about faith-based alternatives is helpful:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/18/9-faith-based-and-secular-alternatives-to-the-boy-scouts-of-america/

The one I know the most about is the Calvinist Cadet Corps, which has roots in the Christian Reformed Church (the Dutch Reformed had problems with Baden-Powell's generic approach to religion all the way back to the earliest days of Scouting) but now contains a number of Orthodox Presbyterian and United Reformed church groups. Personally I'd love to see a major influx of PCA churches and others which have traditionally used the Boy Scouts.

For those in other denominations, the article also references the Southern Baptist Convention's Royal Ambassadors, the Assemblies of God's Royal Rangers, and the Seventh Day Adventists’ Pathfinders.

My guess is all of these groups are going to see a major influx over the next few years unless the Boy Scouts make a major change and do it quickly.

46 posted on 05/25/2013 9:31:45 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: missnry; darrellmaurina
This is exactly what we are up against! This scout is so stupid he doesn't even know the Scout motto about MORALITY!

The problem is everyone is making up their own morality. I'm sure if you asked this guy if it's OK to let a compulsive liar or stealer into the group, he'd be against that. But why? "Inclusiveness" is just a sham.

Without the bible, or at least some authoritative standard, there is no basis for morality of any kind. Everyone does what is right in their own eyes.

47 posted on 05/26/2013 2:48:42 AM PDT by HarleyD
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47 posted on 5/26/2013 4:48:42 AM by HarleyD: “Without the bible, or at least some authoritative standard, there is no basis for morality of any kind. Everyone does what is right in their own eyes.”

Amen!

48 posted on 05/27/2013 7:49:27 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

I had Dr. Reeder as a seminary professor—and he really is a remarkable man. In a class of about 35, he knew only one or two students. On the opening day, he told us each to introduce ourselves, and tell where we were from and what college we went to. When all 35 finished, Dr. Reeder went back over each student...recalling their first and last name, home-town, and college...flawlessly, without notes. Only a very well trained mind can do that.

Dr. Reeder is also a noteable Civil War historian—and no, he doesn’t take the “it was only about state’s rights!” stand...


49 posted on 05/27/2013 11:31:33 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: darrellmaurina

As a Life scout back in the ‘70s, I recall even then, having serious doubts about the organization. Why? It, like the Masons, attempted to be a values-instilling group, yet denied any sort of overt Christianity—basically officially just spouting the old USA vague “civil religion” of God & country, with Judeo/Christian values. That worked OK when 99% were Christians & Jews—and no Christian denomination or Jewish group differed on sexual morality.

Now all the mainline Church denominations have either accepted, or are fighting over, whether active homosexuals (I call them sodomites) can be ordained—and the majority of scout troups are sponsored by such mainline churches. No wonder the chaous and confusion.

Since the federal government—and many state governments are favoring and rewarding sodomy and its promoters, why should we be surprised that the BSA—after many years of severe pressure, has caved. I’ll give them 3 years now before they also accept sodomite scoutmasters.

Put a fork in ‘em, they’re done.


50 posted on 05/27/2013 11:43:50 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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