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Severe Weather Outbreak, Day 2 (OK TX KS MO MI for starters) - Moore, OK devastation

Posted on 05/20/2013 12:46:11 PM PDT by dirtboy

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To: TomGuy

another school down worse than the first one. ARE KIDS IN THESE TWO SCHOOLS?


101 posted on 05/20/2013 1:50:17 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
The storms can build considerable strength by they time they reach the east side of the state but then they head out over lake Huron and become Canada's problem after that.

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102 posted on 05/20/2013 1:50:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TomGuy

My nurse and I watching on Fox. She finally decided I would not be deterred so she joined me. Prayers up big time.


103 posted on 05/20/2013 1:51:08 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: nascarnation
But that does not mean that's the end of a tornado, they are so unpredictable.

104 posted on 05/20/2013 1:51:09 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: dirtboy

News9

Spotter

Parnell (sp) and Foster area, new tornado sighted.

SE of OKC


105 posted on 05/20/2013 1:51:14 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: TomGuy

My heart is breaking. I hope the kids in those schools had good shelter. Horrific damage, seeing the pictures on TWC.


106 posted on 05/20/2013 1:51:26 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: OKSooner
Shipping containers that are either bolted down or welded down to solid concrete would.
107 posted on 05/20/2013 1:53:00 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Marcella

They are showing children on the Weather Channel running to their parents..here is my question, they knew a tornado was coming, how come the school wasn’t evacuated?


108 posted on 05/20/2013 1:53:01 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: MD Expat in PA

that’s what i’m watching, too, weather channel

Horrible damage. If you guys don’t have a motorcycle helment to wear for you and family members during a tornado warning, get them!


109 posted on 05/20/2013 1:54:10 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: dirtboy

News9

live downed power lines,

gas line leaks would cause explosions.


110 posted on 05/20/2013 1:54:37 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

Fallon was talking before about being trapped yesterday on a highway between two tornadoes, That had to be a completely horrifying experience,


111 posted on 05/20/2013 1:54:39 PM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: Sarah Barracuda
they knew a tornado was coming, how come the school wasn’t evacuated?

This tornado blew up very quickly and right on the edge of the OKC metro area. Not nearly enough time to evacuate.

112 posted on 05/20/2013 1:54:44 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Evacuated to where?

And the worst conceivable place to be in a tornado is a school bus.


113 posted on 05/20/2013 1:54:55 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: dirtboy
Even the look on the weathermen/woman faces are in total shock.

114 posted on 05/20/2013 1:55:22 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Sarah Barracuda

No time. Tornadoes appear and dissipate within minutes. The safest thing in that situation is to shelter in place.

Growing up in the Texas Panhandle, we had tornado drills all the time.


115 posted on 05/20/2013 1:55:32 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Sarah Barracuda

To where? Unless there is some massive storm shelter nearby. There is nowhere to go....it’s horrible.


116 posted on 05/20/2013 1:56:00 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“how come the school wasn’t evacuated?”

I heard they had an hour warning - that isn’t enough time for many parents to get to a school, get the kids and get to underground.


117 posted on 05/20/2013 1:56:07 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

You just can’t evac a school given the warning time available - better to stay in the strongest part of the building than being caught out in the open with debris flying by at lethal speeds.

That said, given the forecast, it might have been good to dismiss and get everyone home at noon.


118 posted on 05/20/2013 1:56:20 PM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Marcella

What other place could they go to that would be safer?


119 posted on 05/20/2013 1:56:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TomGuy

No confirmed visual tornado but really ominous radar signature on a cell heading for the north Tulsa suburbs.


120 posted on 05/20/2013 1:58:04 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: catfish1957

So when does the Obama administration hand out questioneers to conservatives who were effected by these storms to see if they deserve help or not ? In the Obama regime ? does FEMA hand out questioneers to conservative groups to see if they deserve help ? and the liberal groups get a free pass ?


121 posted on 05/20/2013 1:58:11 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: SpinnerWebb

Grew up in Dallas....I remember being in the hallway, sitting against the lockers, hugging knees with head down. And being terrified. Still am. Can’t stand storms!


122 posted on 05/20/2013 1:58:42 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: dfwgator

i think most homes have basements there. wish to hell I did here in Texas.


123 posted on 05/20/2013 1:58:43 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: dirtboy; mickie
I heard YESTERDAY that storms were predicted again for today. There's no excuse for the schools in that area to open for business this morning.

Leni

124 posted on 05/20/2013 1:59:03 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: American Constitutionalist
Shipping containers

I assume you mean still below ground level, anchored with concrete and bolts?

Even anchored, but above ground level, and it would be toast. An EF5 can literally peel the pavement off of a roadway.
125 posted on 05/20/2013 1:59:50 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Strategerist

Now a tornado..

Just north of Tulsa.

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TULSA OK
357 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
OKC105-113-131-143-147-202130-
/O.CON.KTSA.TO.W.0014.000000T0000Z-130520T2130Z/
NOWATA OK-OSAGE OK-ROGERS OK-TULSA OK-WASHINGTON OK-
357 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

...TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 430 PM CDT FOR
WASHINGTON...NORTHERN TULSA...NORTHWESTERN ROGERS...EASTERN OSAGE AND
SOUTHWESTERN NOWATA COUNTIES...

AT 355 PM CDT...A TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR AVANT...MOVING NORTHEAST
AT 45 MPH. THIS IS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION!

SOME LOCATIONS IN OR NEAR THE PATH OF THIS STORM INCLUDE...
OCHELATA...VERA...RAMONA AND OOLOGAH.


126 posted on 05/20/2013 2:00:09 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Marcella
another school down worse than the first one. ARE KIDS IN THESE TWO SCHOOLS?

My guess would be yes. Most school districts won't let kids leave during extreme weather.

127 posted on 05/20/2013 2:00:34 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
they knew a tornado was coming, how come the school wasn’t evacuated?

The thing with tornado outbreaks like this is that you don’t know if or exactly when or where they will strike or what exact place they will touch down or in exactly what direction they will go. The entire state of OK is under the gun, where would you evacuate the school to? Evacuating a school probably takes more time and is more dangerous than sheltering. I would think that most schools in that part of the country are a better place to ride out a storm than in a house or trailer home.

128 posted on 05/20/2013 2:00:44 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MinuteGal

Impossible. Schools around here would be closed for most of the spring months.


129 posted on 05/20/2013 2:01:02 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Jrabbit

Ditto that. And this really scary gong that was mounted in the main hallway. They would pound on that to clear the classrooms.

I still hate gongs.


130 posted on 05/20/2013 2:01:19 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: dirtboy

KOTV 6 Tulsa

Sirens going off in Nowata (north of Tulsa)

Skiatook needs to be on alert — rotation, but nothing on the ground that the spotter can see.


131 posted on 05/20/2013 2:01:29 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Strategerist

woman on weather channel says unless you were out of the area or underground, you would be dead in a storm like this.


132 posted on 05/20/2013 2:01:40 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: MinuteGal

holy crap. the devestation looks complete. slabs without even debris on them.

must have been an F5.


133 posted on 05/20/2013 2:01:50 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: MinuteGal
I heard YESTERDAY that storms were predicted again for today. There's no excuse for the schools in that area to open for business this morning.

That isn't how it works. Tornadoes affect a very small area of a state during most outbreaks. And the kids would have been in just as much danger at home.

134 posted on 05/20/2013 2:01:56 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Strategerist

ugh....family in Tulsa, Stillwater, and Shawnee.....


135 posted on 05/20/2013 2:02:04 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: MinuteGal
I heard YESTERDAY that storms were predicted again for today. There's no excuse for the schools in that area to open for business this morning.

Yes there is. Following your policy, in much of the country students would miss 1-2 weeks of school every spring.

If we just never let kids leave their houses and kept them in the basement they'd be even safer.

Also depending on the house, kids are safer in school. A kid from a trailer park is DEFINITELY safer than in school.

136 posted on 05/20/2013 2:02:33 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: MD Expat in PA

Perhaps the one saving grace is that if Moore is a bedroom community, most were not in their homes when it hit.

Imagine if this hit at night when people would be home.


137 posted on 05/20/2013 2:03:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: All

CNN has live helicopter over schools, neighborhoods that are gone.


138 posted on 05/20/2013 2:03:43 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Marcella

It’s possible to build a specially reinforced room in a house that will survive everything up to an F4 (F5 is probably doable but much more expensive, but F5s are absurdly rare.)

A lot cheaper to go underground if possible.


139 posted on 05/20/2013 2:03:58 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: dirtboy
And the kids would have been in just as much danger at home

Probably worse, if they don't have a basement. Most schools in that area have reinforced safety zones... in stairwells and the like, for this reason.
140 posted on 05/20/2013 2:04:01 PM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: SpinnerWebb
Drive heavy I beams into the ground and pour concrete around it and anchor the shipping containers to it.
Yes, they should be below ground.
These would give more protection than a stick built home.
The ideal situation is monolithic poured concrete walls but everyone can not afford that.
Stick build structures are useless in tornadoes.
They just showed a woman impaled by a 2X4 on the live stream.
141 posted on 05/20/2013 2:05:23 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Jrabbit

It’s going to move just north of the denser Tulsa suburbs - more open area near Vera.


142 posted on 05/20/2013 2:05:38 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
"...Also depending on the house, kids are safer in school. A kid from a trailer park is DEFINITELY safer than in school."

That's the rub I've wrestled with in my own head (glad I don't have to make these calls): do you keep all the kids in one place in the hopes that the school is missed, or send them all home - knowing that being so spread out that there could be several that never return.

Meanwhile, there's a woman on KCTV being extricated from her home with a board or something through her leg.

143 posted on 05/20/2013 2:06:10 PM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: MinuteGal

Most schools and business buildings are reinforced and probably safer than any place other than underground shelters.

Of course, any direct hit by an F4 is going to sustain damage.


144 posted on 05/20/2013 2:06:37 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: TurboZamboni

“Scope of damage more massive than May 3, 1999”


145 posted on 05/20/2013 2:06:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Prayers


146 posted on 05/20/2013 2:07:08 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: dirtboy

I don’t want to read the whole thread first...got to know if one hit Moore. My kids live there! Please respond if you are able to. *biting nails*


147 posted on 05/20/2013 2:07:31 PM PDT by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: cripplecreek

Looks like another draco wall.


148 posted on 05/20/2013 2:07:33 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: dirtboy

KOTV 6 Tulsa

Possible large tornado rain-wrapped near Skiatook, just north of Tulsa.


149 posted on 05/20/2013 2:07:43 PM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: Strategerist

Luckily I have never been through a tornado but I just assumed that maybe they had a underground bunker to hide when this was coming


150 posted on 05/20/2013 2:07:50 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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