Skip to comments.CURL: Benghazi is the only scandal that matters
Posted on 05/20/2013 4:28:02 AM PDT by don-o
Meanwhile, no one even knows where the president was the night a U.S. ambassador was murdered, or why the U.S. military sent no help. No one knows who inserted into official talking points a false story that an anti-Islam video led to the massacre. And no one seems to care least of all the White House.
But be warned, White House: Bob Woodward, who knows a thing or two about scandals and cover-ups, isnt falling for the double head fake.
If you read through all these emails, the Watergate reporter said, you see that everyone in the government is saying, Oh, lets not tell the public that terrorists were involved, people connected to al Qaeda. Lets not tell the public that there were warnings. I have to go back 40 years to Watergate when Nixon put out his edited transcripts to the conversations, and he personally went through them and said, Oh, lets not tell this, lets not show this.
I would not dismiss Benghazi.
Too bad, Bob. Washingtons press corps already has.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
All the scandals matter but it’s Bengazi that will keep Hillary out of the white house in 2016. Bengazi demonstrates that she too can’t handle a 3:00 AM phone call.
Nobody died in “Watergate”
Where is David Patraeus?
Watergate was a 3rd rate, John Dean burglary operation to steal the DNC blackbook of prostitutes that included his future wife.
Nixon never was involved in the break-in - only the cover-up.
Where, indeed. I thought he was the other shoe?
Nixon would have gotten away clean if he had destroyed the tapes. I never understood why he didn’t
HERE'S SOMETHING DAVID AXELROD DREAMED UP IN COLLUSION WITH RAHM EMANUEL---AND I QUOTE Obomba called on Washington to not get sidetracked by "fleeting" issues. "I know it can seem frustrating sometimes when it seems like Washington's priorities aren't the same as your priorities. Others may get distracted by chasing every fleeting issue that passes by." OBOMBA ENDED WITH "the middle class will always be my number one focus. Period."
Mmmmmmmm.....the con artist routine. Sounds like something Madoff would say to reel in the suckers.
The term "suppression of the vote" is getting more and more relevant----it is the term Obamba continually used against conservatives in the campaign.
The O Team cunningly scared conservatives into thinking intelligent, rational, time- honored voter ascertainment techniques was "hatemongering" and "suppression of the vote."
At the same time, the Obomanations calculatedly suppressed conservative votes via the IRS (and God knows where else)---- they revved up their vote by using the "suppression" angle.
SUMMATION You can't use logic when dealing with the Obamatons----they are practiced con artists---and know every trick in the book.
Lemme hear that again, Bob.
WATERGATE JOURNO BOB WOODWARD: "You look at the whole Benghazi thing. You look at those talking points and the initial draft by the CIA very explicitly said 'we know that activists who have ties to Al-Qaeda were involved in the attack.' Then you see what comes out a couple of days later and there is no reference to this. This is a business where you have to tell the truth and that did not happen here."(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Yep - if you’re gonna erase 17 minutes, why not just destroy the entire tape?
I never understood why Nixon would not finger John Dean for being the mastermind of the burglary. Probably the same blind side that kept him from destroying the tapes.
I’d love to have a one-on-one with Monica Crowley....and also get her to spill all Nixon told her about Watergate.
Scary stuff for a Monday morning. I knew all these things, but no one ever put all the pieces together so you can clearly see the picture. Note to follow comments at WT. Then make sure you go to the link at Long Island Press.
I should have done my bible reading and prayer time BEFORE I read this.
This little Crap Weasel has had 20 years to speak up and tell it like it is with regard to Leftist criminal acts in and around the White House. Silence is all that emanated from him.
Now he has the gall to try to act like he really gives a ---- what happens to our nation? I have nothing but contempt for this fraud.
F U Bob Woodward! F U!
I now believie that the key to Benghazi is “where was waldo” when the sh_t hit the fan.
If we keep asking that question we will drive them nuts if nothing else.They will have to lie to cover up what he was up to.
It’s too much of a coincidence that all these scandals popped up after Benghazi got hot. Wag the Dog anyone. Trouble is it just might backfire on this Black President.
I think the IRS crimes are going to be the thing that really resonates. However, all of these “scandals” are tied together by one thing: the creation of a government dedicated to controlling information and suppressing dissent or even questions in order to keep itself in power.
Benghazi was the result of bad policy, namely, the desire at all times to side with or not oppose radical Islam while simultaneously downplaying or even putting at risk Americans or American interests, a policy that went way beyond Libya. Even many Americans who might be left-leaning would probably object to an official policy such as this, so clearly the thing to do was the suppress knowledge of this event. Exactly the same thing was involved in the AP spying, because while the government was going to release the information about the Yemen plot and the successful CIA involvement the next day anyway, it wanted to manipulate the information and did not want any objective reporting of facts.
So I think just “writing off” the IRS and AP “scandals” would actually lead to the diminishing of Benghazi and would let the regime simply pass it off as well-meaning confusion rather than policy.
The term “suppression of the vote” is getting more and more relevant——it is the term Obamba continually used against conservatives in the campaign.
The O Team cunningly scared conservatives into thinking intelligent, rational, time- honored voter ascertainment techniques was “hatemongering” and “suppression of the vote.”
At the same time, the Obomanations calculatedly suppressed conservative votes via the IRS (and God knows where else)—— they revved up their vote by using the “suppression” angle.
SUMMATION You can’t use logic when dealing with the Obamatons——they are practiced con artists-—and know every trick in the book.
As always, Henry Mark Holzer summed it up nicely:
Hillary Clinton: Immoral or Amoral?
During her recent Congressional testimony about the notorious Benghazi Affair Hillary Clinton uttered the now infamous rhetorical question What difference, at this point, does it make? Note my emphasis on the word it. In the context the question was asked and answered Clintons it referred at least to the murder of four Americans, and probably the State Departments antecedent failure to provide adequate security and the White Houses subsequent stonewalling cover-up.
In other wordsaccording to the former First Lady, United States Senator, presidential aspirant, Secretary of State, and putative 2016 democratic party presidential candidateit made no difference that the government of which she was then a high-ranking member exposed Americans to high-risk danger, left them defenseless in a hotbed of terrorists, made no effort to rescue them, literally watched them being murderedand then tried to cover up apparatchik malfeasance by lying through their teeth to the people of the United States.
What difference? indeed.
But beyond what has become obvious about Clintons and her colleagues betrayal of the deceased Americans and the rest of the governments malfeasance, the Benghazi Affair reveals something even more sinister.
Over the years, some of Hillary Clintons questionable conduct has not involved issues of morality. She has been a poseur, playing the role of victimized, yet forgiving, wife during the Lewinsky scandal. She has been a hypocrite, castigating George W. Bush for warrantless surveillance but using purloined tapes to her own political advantage. She has been a paranoid, complaining to the world about the alleged right wing conspiracy. She has been a conniver, ousting career White House travel office employees in favor of her cronies. She has been a dilettante, presuming to make over Americas health care system.
While this conduct, and much more like it, has been unseemly and at odds with the dignified and trustworthy image that had been projected by modern-era First Ladies from Bess Truman to Laura Bush, none of Hillary Clintons conduct raised serious moral questions.
On the other hand, Clinton has done many other things that have raised serious questions of immorality (immoral defined as not in conformity with accepted principles of right and wrong behavior; contrary to the moral code of the community [Websters New World Dictionary of the American Language (13th ed.)]; in other words knowing, but disregarding, those principles).
She authored a brief reeking with fraud while a staff lawyer for the Watergate Committee. She was a beneficiary of illegal commodities transactions that turned her a large profit. She fraudulently stung lenders in the Whitewater land scheme. She bought votes and campaign contributions with criminal pardons issued by her husband. She lied about Chinese contributions to her political campaigns. She participated in slandering and intimidating women whom her husband sexually and otherwise abused, and was complicit in covering up his salacious conduct. She blithely desecrated the presidency by selling the Lincoln Bedroom to donors and celebrities. She stole furniture and furnishings from the White House. And much moreincluding her recent complicity in the murder of four Americans in Benghazi and the attempted cover-up of the entire sordid affair. All immoral conduct.
Theres more, but to elucidate all of it would be to gild the lily. Hillary Clintons immoral conductrationalize by her adherence to the Rules for Radicals promulgated by her mentor Saul Alinskyhas been detailed on the public record for decades, especially since her abortive campaign for the Democratic Party presidential nomination in 2007.
At that time, I raised the question of whether Clintons decades-old questionable character traits and corner-cutting conduct demonstrated that she was merely immoral or, worse: Whether she was amoraland whether theres any important difference between the two concepts.
The answer is that there is a difference, a profound one, and with Hillary Clintons eye on a 2016 presidential nomination its crucially important for the future of the United States of America that the voters of this country understand it.
I begin with the concept of morality itself, one which Americans instinctively understand. Rooted in fundamental notions of right and wrong, most Americans know (or knew!) that its right to pay our bills and protect our loved ones; that it is wrong to defraud creditors and abuse children. Its immoral to buy votes, lie to investigators, release terrorists for a political quid pro quo, attack the defenseless, steal from the White Houseall conduct that Hillary Clinton was a party toas well as to engage in countless other actions which, by anyones definition, must be characterized as immoral. That this prospective candidate for the presidency of the United States has acted immorally time and time again is clear beyond any legitimate disagreement.
But what about amorality?defined as being neither moral nor immoral; specifically: lying outside the sphere to which moral judgments apply; lacking moral sensibility . . . . (Merriam-Websters Collegiate Dictionary (10th ed.); emphasis in original.)
A person who is amoral does not accept any moral standard by which her conduct is to be judged by others. She simply does not care about the concept of morality, about right or wrong, in what she thinks, says, or does. Morality does not apply to such a person. What difference, at this point, does it make? could well be such persons mantra.
Thus, the questions arise: Does all of Hillary Clintons dubious conduct over the course of decades reflect a simple, garden-variety immoralityknowing but eschewing the right, and deliberately doing the wrong? Or does Alinskys acolytethe leading candidate of the Democrat Party for the presidency of the United Statesat root care nothing for morality and deem it to have no application to her? Is Hillary Clinton amoral?
Her record (let alone her character) leaves no doubt about the answer. Yet Clinton and her supporters ask: What difference, at this point, does [morality] make?
To ask the question is to answer it.
Don’t get your hopes up, nothing to see here. Move along.
All thee questions and still very far from the most damaging facts...Why was the Ambassador in Benghazi to meet with the Turks anyway? Arranging safe land passage of Qaddafi’s weapons stockpile.
I believe with all my heart that "that was her job"...and that he got set up. She has received "0" penalty for her actions. I'd say she's a political wh***....and is proud of her accomplishment.
The 'little people' don't count!
It's like I'm back at Arlington Towers when Leona Helmsley was the landlady ~ she actually shipped in cockroaches to detract us from the fact she had ceased all building maintenance.
Dean’s to-be wife was still running tricks at Secret Service and State Department parties long after he’d begun ‘dating her’.
The Dear Leader must surely appreciate the effort to demoralize the Right. It frees the Left to demonize and distract.
Fur Shur Monica Crawley wasn’t running tricks with the Dean gal. Not even when she was much younger, if not thinner.
I think Wheel of Scandals would be an appropriate game show right now. Instead of using a wheel with prize amounts just list all the scandals and constitutional infringements by the Obama administration...on second thought, that would have to a pretty big wheel and wouldn’t fit in the studio...oh well it was a thought...
I disagree. Benghazi was a one off event. The IRS and DOJ scandals are an ongoing war by the administration against liberty.
Monica worked for Nixon in his final years
Four dead Americans would disagree with you if they were not dead. Every Soldier, Sailor, Airman and Marine worth his salt would disagree with you.
so using the IRS, FBI and Domestic Terrorism bureaucracy to harrass your political enemies and deny them the ability to organize is not a scandal that matters?
The obvious first one is: Who issued the stand-down order? I can't believe that we don't already know. Maybe the House investigators do, and they're playing it close to the vest.
Basically, here's the problem for the WH. The stand-down order had to originate from a civilian authority, and then down the chain of command. Either Obama gave the order, or someone will attempt/be coerced to take a bullet for Obama,and say that he did it on his own. Which would be even worse for Obama..The IRS can try the "stupidity/incompetence" defense to shield the WH, but that wont work with national defense issues.
BTW..where's Jay Carney?
C-span just posted that Carney’s presser will be at 12:45. Should be interesting..Nice of Jay to give Rush time to finish his monologue.. I may start a thread if I’m around..
Guess I’m not worth my salt.
I didn’t say it wasn’t important, just its not the only scandal that matters. He should be impeached over Benghazi now. I think the IRS and DOJ scandals will reveal he should be for them too.
“Either Obama gave the order”
It would have come from Jarrett. Obama sits In the oval, chewing gum, smoking and bouncing a basketball, whilst watching FNC or ESPN.
While I think the Obamites tried to pull a Clinton by throwing a more titillating but less harmful scandal out to cover for what they thought was a more damaging scandal, the IRS is no Monica Lewinsky and “just about sex”.
The IRS, Benghazi, Fast & Furious and the AP story (because it might have woken up the left leaning press dragon that supports attacking others, but not themselves) are all highly relevant because together they show corrupt, poorly and dangerously managed, if managed at all leadership. Together, they are one big scandal that shows the corruption and disregard for our Constitution and way of governance that permeates the Obama administration. Their “carrot and stick” approach to running our country (reward their friends, punish their domestic enemies) is an affront to all decent and civilized Americans.
I have a sneaking suspicion the House does know the answer to this and is just giving Team O enough rope to hang themselves. Once they're backed into a corner by their lies, that's when more people will begin talking.
There were definitely enough inside the White House Islamic Brotherhood connections, to pull off the attempted Capture of the American Ambassador. Pulling security off that man is a dead giveaway, that something wasn’t right. Ordering stand downs of forces that could and wanted to rescue him and the others is another giveaway.
This is a seriously bad administration.
Don’t forget...nobama and his minions (clintoon, et al) KILLED the Americans in Bengazi. nobama and his minions have blood on their hands. Commies!
Glenn Beck: Benghazi is about running guns to Muslim Brotherhood.
The hell it is (the only scandal that matters that is). Obama and his minions are blowing up this nation section by section, using federal agencies to silence opposition, using the military to promote Islamism and radical jihad, using the media to propagandize the low information voter and using race to promote his agenda. Obama’s administration is for nothing less than a hostile take over of America by disparate group politics. Obama is a foul stench in the nostrils of Constitutional law abiding Americans... dammit ya’ll...
Bengazi is a major scandal that demonstrates just how self-centered the drug-addled narcissist is. The IRS targeting of conservatives in order to influence the election is a major scandal that demonstrates just how corrupt the communist thug in our White House is. The AP phone record monitoring is a major scandal that demonstrates just how indifferent to the Bill of Rights the petty tyrant from Chicago is. None of these scandals are minor. All three are worse than anything since Bill Clinton’s perjury, and in combination they are worse than any scandal or combination of scandals in our country’s history.
If Jarrett gave the order...that’s game, set and match..you have have someone NOT in the constitutional authority/chain of command..the general officer who received that directive from her, before sending it down the chain of command..would have carefully documented/recorded it..because he would have questioned it,then been appalled when it was confirmed.
The basic technique of any interrogator is to first get the suspect to commit to a story..lock him in...then tear it apart..
Too bad, Bob. Washingtons press corps already has.
Because they know this is where the real story is....they are in Washington and know the rumors going around in the intelligence community, the gun running, the wag the dog scenario and who had to give the stand down order for the military not to be sent and they know the rumors of why the military protocol in the danger to an ambassador was stopped. They know how bad it looks a general was relieved of command, that 2 CIA operatives broke 3 stand down orders and saved 30 "State Department" employees then left to die while painting a target for the asset in the area to take it out and that the director of the CIA was gotten rid of by scandal because he was not towing the line.
The know on several points this is impeachable and they know the IRS has been thrown under the bus to save the president from this scandal because they think they can insulate the president from blame on this issue which they can not on Benghazi.
You really have to think that one through....The IRS scandal which the dems themselves threw out into the public spotlight....proves just how wrong dems are on the dangers of big government...they could lose everything they have worked for in growing this government just to save Obama from scrutiny on Benghazi. IRS loses them the Senate next election, Benghazi loses Obama the presidency and stains the dem party for 50 years like Watergate did to republicans.
Charlie Rangle was super critical of the Obama regimes illegal use of the IRS. That is a DEAD GIVEAWAY that the left is trying to distract from Bengahzi. I mean, come on! Rangle critcizing president Santa Claus?!! Its a ruse people!
I'm not so sure about that.
You might not know it from reading much of the press, but Obama's administration has been much more aggressive in investigating leaks than Bush's ever was.
The BS media might have a surprise.
It's not just the politicization of the IRS.
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