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Do white people have a future in South Africa?
BBC News ^ | 19 May 2013 | By John Simpson

Posted on 05/19/2013 7:18:29 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Apartheid South Africa looked after white people and nobody else. Now some of its white communities face a level of deprivation, or of violence, which threatens their future in the country.

Everyone here, regardless of colour, tells you that white people are still riding high.

They run the economy. They have a disproportionate amount of influence in politics and the media. They still have the best houses and most of the best jobs.

All of this is true but it is not the only picture.

Look below the surface and you will find poverty and a sense of growing vulnerability.

The question I have come to South Africa to answer is whether white people genuinely have a future here.

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1 posted on 05/19/2013 7:18:29 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

No, they don’t.


2 posted on 05/19/2013 7:19:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

From what I’ve read, I would say no. It’s probably in their best interest to leave as South Africa follows Zimbabwe/Rhodesia’s lead.


3 posted on 05/19/2013 7:19:52 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: MinorityRepublican
Do white people have a future in South Africa The United States?

Fixed it.

4 posted on 05/19/2013 7:20:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The blacks will be much happier once there are no whites to interfere with them murdering each other.


5 posted on 05/19/2013 7:21:54 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Do White People have a future in the United States?


6 posted on 05/19/2013 7:22:02 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: MinorityRepublican
no... next question
7 posted on 05/19/2013 7:22:18 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It will be Haiti 2.0 before it’s all said and done.


8 posted on 05/19/2013 7:23:36 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: MinorityRepublican

They will just as soon as the multicultural Left finds anti-white racism less fashionable. In short, never.


9 posted on 05/19/2013 7:23:46 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Same answer for both SA and US.

NO


10 posted on 05/19/2013 7:23:48 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Well, let's just abstract this away from emotional hot button words pertaining to race, and get down to brass tacks. Do the bourgeoisie have a future once communists take over?

No.

11 posted on 05/19/2013 7:26:48 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Apartheid South Africa looked after white people and nobody else.”

The very first sentence is factually incorrect. South Africa, during Apartheid, enjoyed the highest standard of living than any other Sub-Saharan African nation. That’s why South Africa saw massive black immigration into South Africa even during Apartheid. If Apartheid was truly that bad for blacks, then why were so many blacks immigrating to be part of it?

Also look at the murder rates during Apartheid and thereafter. More whites are killed by blacks in on average year post-Apartheid than blacks who were killed by whites during the entire time of Apartheid. Further, far more blacks are now raped and murdered by other blacks as a sense of anything goes has taken hold post-Apartheid.


12 posted on 05/19/2013 7:27:32 PM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: MinorityRepublican

The first sentence of the article is a bald faced lie.

During apartheid, Blacks had the highest and best education of any Blacks in Africa. They also had the best medical care and longest life span. In almost any fair comparison, Blacks in South Africa fared better than any other Black nation.

That might explain why so many tried to enter S.A. illegally, fleeing those run by Black Obama types.


13 posted on 05/19/2013 7:27:53 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Does the name “Custer” mean anything to you?


14 posted on 05/19/2013 7:28:02 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Only if snowballs don’t melt in hell.


15 posted on 05/19/2013 7:28:26 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Do white people have a future anywhere in the world?


16 posted on 05/19/2013 7:28:48 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I watched this video earlier today .....

http://youtu.be/OMwI5unlK9M


17 posted on 05/19/2013 7:29:07 PM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Do white people have a future in South Africa The United States?”

My sentiments exactly. Unless whitey wakes up, there is no future here. There are just too many low information crackers in this here US of A.

18 posted on 05/19/2013 7:30:45 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: MinorityRepublican

Whites have had 20 years to clean up their business and flee. I feel horrible for those white families who are descendants of the Dutch settlers who, over 300 years ago, developed and farmed what was originally mostly barren wasteland. To watch invaders from other parts of Africa overrun the place, take it over, and then run it into the ground must be heartwrenching.

It’s one thing to see your house on fire and stick around to try to put fire out and save what you can. But it’s something else altogether when the burning rafters are falling down upon your head. It is way past time for whites to get out of that disgusting pisspot. It’s over. The American Democrats and African communists won.


19 posted on 05/19/2013 7:31:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: MinorityRepublican

The more important question is to white people have a future in the United States!


20 posted on 05/19/2013 7:33:11 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Lancey Howard
To watch invaders ... overrun the place, take it over, and then run it into the ground must be heartwrenching.

It's already here in this country too.

21 posted on 05/19/2013 7:33:33 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

About the same odds as a non-moslem in an islamist country.


22 posted on 05/19/2013 7:34:43 PM PDT by soycd
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To: LibWhacker
Do white people have a future anywhere in the world?

Russia and Eastern Europe. They just don't put up with Democrats, pansies, and political correctness there. Anyway, when (some) whites - - even in the former America - - are finally backed into a corner, there will be blood.

23 posted on 05/19/2013 7:35:20 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: yarddog

Yep. South Africa is in a race to get down to the level of neighbors economically, socially and militarily. The ruling party is massively corrupt, crime rates are skyrocketing and their brand new jet fighters are sitting up on blocks because they can’t afford to fly them. The SA Army just lost 14 soldier in the Central African Republic, which appear to have been there for no other reason than to protect the business interests of the ANC party bosses.


24 posted on 05/19/2013 7:35:31 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No. Look at Rhodesia. Look at Detroit.


25 posted on 05/19/2013 7:36:10 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Persae Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Does anyone have a future in South Africa?


26 posted on 05/19/2013 7:37:13 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Two words: Hell, NO!


27 posted on 05/19/2013 7:37:35 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: MinorityRepublican
The illuminati will not shed a tear when south Africa is ethnically cleansed.

In other words, Little Steven & Paul Simon will not be giving benefit concerts.

28 posted on 05/19/2013 7:38:09 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: MinorityRepublican
Support the preservation of Zef culture!

I Fink U Freeky (Warning: Adult Content)

Lady Gaga Eaten by a Lion (Warning: Adult Content)

29 posted on 05/19/2013 7:49:31 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I won't agree exactly with what you say because there are big exceptions to it. But it points to a larger problem.

America has functioned brilliantly in the past because of belief in free market capitalism, a strong work ethic and a generally unified population (including naturalized citizens from all over the world.) Things started to fall apart when the New Left radicalized racial minorities, feminists and homosexuals, and began to spread the insane ideas that "diversity (instead of unity) is our strength" and that our national treasury could support the entire world via immigration, legal and illegal.

There are many good people who come to the U.S., even illegally, who fully grasp the idea of individual initiative, opportunity and making better lives for themselves. So do many of our citizen minorities including Blacks. Unfortunately too many -- including some of our political elites and hopelessly spoiled, socialist-indoctrinated young people -- just don't grasp the fundamentals that made America rich and powerful. They simplistically see America as the goose that will continue to lay golden eggs forever, with no thought about feeding the goose and making sure it stays in good health.

30 posted on 05/19/2013 7:50:35 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: MinorityRepublican

If Zimbabwe is any indication my guess would be “no”.But I’m not nearly close enough to the situation to be certain.


31 posted on 05/19/2013 8:05:11 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: skeeter
The illuminati will not shed a tear when south Africa is ethnically cleansed.

True...just as they never shed a tear over Jews being driven out of various Middle Eastern countries or over Christians being *currently* driven out of those same countries (or murdered).

32 posted on 05/19/2013 8:09:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Whites should get out while they still have their lives. Racism is a one way street; whites are always guilty.


33 posted on 05/19/2013 8:09:36 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: MinorityRepublican

They’ve largely been disarmed. What do you think?


34 posted on 05/19/2013 8:12:47 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Die Antwoord’s stuff is like watching a train wreck.


35 posted on 05/19/2013 8:16:21 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Um... no.


36 posted on 05/19/2013 8:18:15 PM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Study up on 1800’s global bankers adventures in Africa.

That’s the 19th century, the years 1800-1899.

Learn about the whole cast of international banking characters.

Today will make much more sense.


37 posted on 05/19/2013 8:21:17 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Bernard Marx
America has functioned brilliantly in the past because of belief in free market capitalism, a strong work ethic and a generally unified population (including naturalized citizens from all over the world.) Things started to fall apart when the New Left radicalized racial minorities, feminists and homosexuals, and began to spread the insane ideas that "diversity (instead of unity) is our strength" and that our national treasury could support the entire world via immigration, legal and illegal.

There are many good people who come to the U.S., even illegally, who fully grasp the idea of individual initiative, opportunity and making better lives for themselves. So do many of our citizen minorities including Blacks. Unfortunately too many -- including some of our political elites and hopelessly spoiled, socialist-indoctrinated young people -- just don't grasp the fundamentals that made America rich and powerful. They simplistically see America as the goose that will continue to lay golden eggs forever, with no thought about feeding the goose and making sure it stays in good health.


I do see it where race and culture are a factor but not the only one, you hit the main point there. Myself, if I hit the powerball or something, I would love to start a "Galt's Gulch." There was a movie done on ABC TV back in 1972 called "Second Change" where a multi-millionaire played by Brian Keith bought a ghost town and people who need a second chance and so on could live there and build their own community, I'd love to do something like that.
38 posted on 05/19/2013 8:23:35 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer! End Obongo Administration Simulation Program NOW!!!!)
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To: FreedomPoster
Yes, but what a beautiful train wreck it is...


39 posted on 05/19/2013 8:26:34 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Reverting to tribalism themselves, I guess it should have been anticipated. It’s violent, in your face, throwing ugly racial stereotypes right back, more than a little psychotic.

The second Lady Gaga spoof actually was good, even striking aesthetically once it got rolling but still very disturbed and very disturbing. Very colorful but very dark.

A lot of verys there. It’ll be a very violent thing if remaining white youth turn to this. It likely will be eventually anyway, whether they do or they don’t.

Hence the apparent psychosis.


40 posted on 05/19/2013 8:35:54 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Do white people have a future in South Africa The United States?

Ask that question again in three years when Barry has finished with us. Apparently millions of jobless white people are not oppressed enough.

41 posted on 05/19/2013 8:41:19 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I agree. Blacks in Africa are incapable of governing themselves in any peaceful or rational manner.


42 posted on 05/19/2013 8:46:49 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Bernard Marx

The speech was given by Governor Lamm at the 2004 Immigration-Overpopulation Conference in Washington, D.C.

He titled it “A Plan to Destroy America.”

AMERICAN SUICIDE
Wherever you stand, please take the time to read this; it ought to scare the pants off you!

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado (Democrat). In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Recently there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America’s finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by
the name of Victor Davis Hansen talked about his latest book, “Mexifornia,” explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, “If you believe that America is too smug, too
self-satisfied, too rich, then let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that ‘An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.’”

“Here is how they do it,” Lamm said: “First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country.” History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures It is a blessing for an individual to
be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: “The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.” Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of
national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficult times with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.”

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, “Invent ‘multiculturalism’ and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, “We could make the United States an ‘Hispanic Quebec’ without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: “The apparent success of our own multi ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.”

Lamm said, “I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would! replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.”

“Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.”

“My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of ‘Victimology.’ I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.”

“My sixth plan for America’s downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other- that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common Language and literature; and they worshipped the same Gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty. ! Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. “E. Pluribus Unum” — from many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the ‘Pluribus’ instead of the ‘Unum,’ we will balkanize America assuredly as Kosovo.”

“Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of ‘diversity.’ I would find a word similar to ‘heretic’ in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like ‘racist’ or ‘xenophobe’ halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bi-lingual/bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of ‘victimology,’ I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.”

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, “Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis’s book “Mexifornia.” His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don’t read that book.”

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate ‘diversity.’ American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell’s book “1984.” In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: “War is peace,” “Freedom is slavery,” and “Ignorance is strength.”

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don’t get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream. If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this on just as I did for you


43 posted on 05/19/2013 9:02:27 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not while violent, black, racist socialists (ANC) are in power.

Get the hell out before they kill you, or if you’re a white woman, rape and/or kill you.


44 posted on 05/19/2013 9:06:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Apartheid South Africa looked after SOME white people. Not all of them. Plenty whites got nothing from the apartheid government.


45 posted on 05/19/2013 9:07:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes.

And it’s about time all the rest of the folks here knew it.


46 posted on 05/19/2013 9:08:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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No one has a future in South Africa. It is well on the way to becoming a vast socialist slum.


47 posted on 05/19/2013 9:52:30 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1
It (South Africa) is well on the way to becoming a vast murderous socialist slum where being white will be as dangerous as a longtailed tom in a room full of rocking chairs.
48 posted on 05/19/2013 9:54:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No, and South Africa doesn’t have a chance.


49 posted on 05/19/2013 11:13:37 PM PDT by pallis
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not a good omen:

http://ajkraad.wix.com/genocide-museum


50 posted on 05/20/2013 1:32:29 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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