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The Science of Guns Proves Arming Untrained Citizens Is a Bad Idea (Get in here!)
Scientific American ^ | May 8, 2013 | Michael Shermer

Posted on 05/10/2013 6:51:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: MortMan

I would like to ask this dolt if a relatively physically weak woman would have a better chance with or without a gun against a large person breaking into her residence. Only an anti-gun fool would deny the obvious.


61 posted on 05/11/2013 2:24:59 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: muawiyah
Do we have another Western democracy with 13% of its population descended from African slaves?

The fact that they are descended from African slaves is only tangentially relevant.

What IS relevant is that many of them self-segregate into violent, lawless urban concrete jungles where there are minimal adverse consequences to blowing-away anyone who displeases them.

62 posted on 05/11/2013 3:13:49 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: null and void

Is he perchance an ultra-marathon bicycle rider?


63 posted on 05/11/2013 3:21:32 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Da Coyote

Indeed, “Scientific” American the other day had an article about how it is good that science spending in the government is at an all time low since the steady defunding of research in military and civilian nuclear infrastructure starting in the 50s...


64 posted on 05/11/2013 4:28:48 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: TigersEye

It sounds like scripted agenda-speak to me.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes , very scripted, a former bitter clinger to his gun now converted by the science of statistics? Buahahahaha!

I suppose he has abandoned his bible as well? LOL.


65 posted on 05/11/2013 4:34:57 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: DuncanWaring
Back when their immediate ancestors lived spread across the rural South they had the same higher murder rate. They also have 4 times the average rate of schizophrenia.

But the question is what other comparable industrial nation has the same ethnic mix.

66 posted on 05/11/2013 4:36:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Both Thomas Sowell (Black Rednecks and White Liberals) and James Webb (Born Fighting) make the point that the southern freed slaves saw (and copied) those same violent behaviors in the white people they observed - the descendents of those immigrants from lowland Scotland, who would just as soon kill you as look at you.

So, ironically, in the modern urban ghetto, when a “brother” shoots a “brother”, they’re actually “acting white”.


67 posted on 05/11/2013 4:47:53 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t it kind of late in the game for Scientific American to be singing that song? The “untrained citizens” of this country are already armed to the teeth. The gun-grabbers ain’t putting that genie back in the bottle no matter how much fear-mongering they try to spread.


68 posted on 05/11/2013 4:52:06 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Webb would look at it that way but I think the black communities simply have a higher rate of schizophrenia.


69 posted on 05/11/2013 4:58:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ctdonath2

Now that’s just laugh-out-loud funny! And so true!


70 posted on 05/11/2013 4:59:06 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: muawiyah

That may be...


71 posted on 05/11/2013 5:03:11 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: muawiyah

Oh come on now! I’m black, and I’m not mentally ill. Just ask my invisible demon. He’ll vouch for my sanity. ;)


72 posted on 05/11/2013 5:07:53 AM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: jespasinthru

(making sure to avoid any eye contact) “yeah, sure, uh huh ~ going away ~ bye” (scurring to other side of street, pulling coat up to hide face)


73 posted on 05/11/2013 5:15:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: max americana

The science of cars proves letting untrained citizens drive is a bad idea.

The science of swimming pools proves swimming by untrained citizens is a bad idea.

The science of tools proves letting untrained citizens operate chainsaws is a bad idea.

etc.


74 posted on 05/11/2013 5:19:37 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Pox

“The Science of Guns” made me laugh right there. What’s your major? I’m majoring in the “science of guns.”


75 posted on 05/11/2013 5:22:01 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Yo-Yo

Amen to that. I used to have a subscription and I loved the magazine.

I don’t know if they changed or I just started noticing, but the articles started having a political slant. That was not so surprising when they veered into social “science”, but even in articles that should have been strictly scientific, hard science like physics and chemistry, they managed to wedge in some liberal tripe. Don’t even get me started on global warming.

Needless to say, I no longer subscribe.


76 posted on 05/11/2013 5:26:46 AM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Many veterans, sportsmen/women, hunters, target shooters, etc. out there have more and better training than the average police officer.

That is so true...I have cut back on my shooting lately just because of ammo shortages and I don't want to deplete my rather "substantial" inventory. But when I was shooting regularly there wasn't a LEO who could outshoot me and I used to shoot regularly over 400-rounds a month of large pistol calibers at an indoor range, plus lots of .22 plinking in the desert. Plus, attending advanced pistol and combat pistol and defence courses.

77 posted on 05/11/2013 5:35:21 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Last Dakotan

I used to suscribe when I was a science major but got fed up with the politically slanted articles. This is just another of many.


78 posted on 05/11/2013 5:36:33 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: DuncanWaring

No idea, I never knew him very well, and haven’t seen him in maybe 20 years? I wasn’t impressed then, though.


79 posted on 05/11/2013 6:11:29 AM PDT by null and void (America needs to be led by warriors not by lawyers)
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To: G Larry
“every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.”

Since this study came from the "Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery", I'm going to guess that they got their data from shootings that resulted in an ER visit. They count as self defense ONLY cases where the gun was (1) fired, AND (2) the bad guy was hit, AND (3) the case was immediately classified as self-defense.

Cases where the gun owner chased away the bad guy without wounding or killing the bad guy would not be counted as defensive shootings. Cases where the gun owner was initially arrested and the case was later decided as "self defense" would also not be counted.

An additional point: the vast majority of shootings involve inner-city criminals shooting other inner-city criminals, using guns they are legally prohibited from owning. A study which excluded those cases, and covered ONLY shootings where the gun owner was legally allowed to own the gun used, would paint a different story.

80 posted on 05/11/2013 6:23:08 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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