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To: PieterCasparzen

You didn’t read the post. They have over two hundred charges to examine. It’s not if he’s guilty. It’s about all the different charges, and they have to decide which ones or probably all of them they will vote guilty on. It clear he’s guilty and violated the law in many, many ways, but I think the jury is simply trying to get it right. He’s an evil man, but he still is supposed to get a fair trial.


7 posted on 05/10/2013 11:22:44 AM PDT by Essie
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To: Essie

I agree; just noting that the laws of America have become far too complex - splitting hairs.

I understand that as many charges as possible are brought so if defendant gets off on a technicality on some its difficult for them to get off on all in such a manner.

That should not be the way things work, however, if the system of laws and the court proceedings were closer to being just.

It’s pretty cut and dried from a simplistic point of view - man killed babies. It was him (not a case of wrong man being accused), the babies did die, he was responsible, and it was not an accident, it was done purposefully.

But highly schooled lawyers have turned our courts into an art form of playing with language, i.e., “that depends on what you mean by the word is”.

Two hundred years ago such shenanigans would not be humored by courts.

IMHO, there’s a real and practical and very concrete difference between getting a trial that’s rushed and does not hear all evidence, or purposefully infringes on a defendant’s right to defend themselves in court in some other way - and getting a fair trial where the truth of one’s guilt simply comes out and a guilty defendant is found guilty. We don’t convict if there’s a reasonable doubt; the word reasonable used to mean something back in the day.


14 posted on 05/10/2013 12:26:41 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Essie

IMHO, once a case gets buried in a large number of charges and too much complexity, the jury (who are not professional lawyers) can get very tired and have great difficulty rendering a verdict. Of course, if the charges apply in the case they should be brought. But it’s the complex way in which lawyers have designed the whole body of law that makes the consideration of them by a random group of citizens very difficult.


15 posted on 05/10/2013 12:30:38 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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