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"Common Core" And The All-Too-Common Tendencies Of Heavy-Handed Government
Townhall.com ^ | May 5, 2013 | Austin Hill

Posted on 05/05/2013 6:28:53 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 05/05/2013 6:28:53 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“Free public schools.” —Plank #10 of the Communist Manifesto, 1848.

First American compulsory attendance laws were passed in Massachusetts in 1852.

This battle was lost a long time ago.


2 posted on 05/05/2013 6:32:53 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Kaslin

I recently started as a substitute teacher in two different public school districts and had my first exposure to Common Core. From what I’ve seen, some of it is nothing but propaganda. I had to read a common core recommended book to kindergarteners on earth day. It made such wild leaps of logic (i.e. eating all your food to save polar bears). The kids were as confused as I was.

So after reading the story, I asked if anyone knew what compost was and talked about how you can do things in your own environment to take care of yourself.

Another lesson was about consumers and producers and said nothing about people who do things for themselves. I found an opportunity to talk about self reliance. Really is irritating what is being taught to the kids these days. Be dumb as a rock and dependent on others.


3 posted on 05/05/2013 6:42:38 AM PDT by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
It breaks my heart.

Fundamentally, our nation's socialist-entitlement schools, (that is a monstrous, price-fixed, godless, monopoly cartel,) is EVIL.

Those that seek to work for, establish, and support in any way this monster are either evil, very stupid, or completely brainwashed Useful Idiots.

Government schooling is our nation's and freedom's most serious threat, and there isn't much time left because children in this schools are being taught to fear and hate guns, hate the Second Amendment, and to fear and hate gun owners. In five to twelve years they will be voters.

The National Rifle Association thinks it will prevail? Really? Our government schools are far bigger, far more powerful, and funded far better with dollars ( collected by police threat) than the NRA.

4 posted on 05/05/2013 6:47:26 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

In my opinion the worst thing is disengaged people who don’t waste time on school elections or attending school board meetings. Its easier to blame than do.

People around here are crying about taxes going up so the school can build a practice gym they don’t need but less than a thousand people of the 4000 odd households in the district bothered to show up to vote. Of those who voted and estimated 70% were school employees.

We can talk homeschooling all we want but the simple fact is that only a very tiny fraction will do it and the public system will continue pumping out the marxists of tomorrow.

If people truly want to get rid of the public schools, gaining control of them is the first step.


5 posted on 05/05/2013 6:56:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin
..according to my wife they are even attempting to apply the disaster of CC to Special Education

devoid of traditional values, centralized and socialized-- you combine that with the abusive medicating of kids and you have a brave new world...

6 posted on 05/05/2013 7:05:58 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: cripplecreek
It is easy to talk about home schooling, but not everyone is qualified to home teach. I for example could have never been able to. I could not even help my kids with their homework, because I was educated with a different school system and the American school system was confusing to me.

Also not everyone can afford to send their kids to private school

7 posted on 05/05/2013 7:17:52 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Exactly why we’ve got to get people engaged in their local schools. Personally I’d like to see the feds removed from education altogether.

I don’t even have kids and never miss a vote and manage to attend at least half the school board meetings. Very few parents do that much but those who do have expressed appreciation that I care enough about their kids and the future of the country.


8 posted on 05/05/2013 7:23:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

Come to think of it. Those who do home school or send their kids to private school are the people who should be most engaged in public schools.

If they’ve found something that works, they should be pushing it in the public schools.


9 posted on 05/05/2013 7:32:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: wintertime
I'm a public school teacher of math in a state that is transitioning to Common Core State Standards. I understand that some don't support public schools... but I wanted to share some information about standards. This is not an attempt to convert anyone to anything. I'm merely sharing my experiences and thoughts.

Every state has some sort of standards for specific grade levels, and they have for some time. Ideally, teachers haven't just taught whatever they want. Teachers in every state should be teaching the standards put in place by their state. Every state should have their standards available for public use on their Dept of Ed website.

Common Core standards are an attempt to get everyone on the same page in regards to broad grade level concepts that are taught across the country. While I understand that centralization is generally not a great idea, in today's more mobile society, there is some logic to this.

Common Core applies to Math and English/Language Arts only. There are not CCSS for government, history, science, and so forth, although many of the language arts standards deal with non-fiction.

The CCSS direct what broad ideas should be mastered at grade levels, but it does not specify curriculum nor methodology. They are not, so far as I can tell, politically charged in any way.

Example of specific standards:

8th Grade English/Language Arts: Determine a theme or central idea of a text and analyze its development over the course of the text, including its relationship to the characters, setting, and plot; provide an objective summary of the text.

4th Grade Math: Solve word problems involving addition and subtraction of fractions referring to the same whole and having like denominators, e.g., by using visual fraction models and equations to represent the problem.

These are not radical, Marxist ideas. The problem is what it has always been... the curriculum selected to implement the standard. For example, in the E/LA example above, the standard does not specify a particular book. A Tale of Two Cities would fit the standard, but so would a book glorifying lesbian marriage.

The Common Core State Standards for all grade levels may be found at this website: http://www.corestandards.org

As a teacher, one of the things I like (and lazy teachers don't) is that the dreaded achievement tests follow the standards exactly. As a teacher, if I've taught the math standards properly, my students will do fine on the test and will be ready for the next math class where more complex material will be introduced. Student achievement on these tests form the bulk of my annual evaluation score.

I appreciate your willingness to wade through a long post.

10 posted on 05/05/2013 7:35:37 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; vette6387; unkus; gonzo; MamaDearest; flat; ZULU; JLAGRAYFOX; Windflier; ...

James Clavell’s - The Children’s Story

Wake up! The schools have been the Left’s propaganda machines for over three decades. Check out President Reagan’s report: A Nation At Risk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C1IV00LLDQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Va0b0tL1M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojxtz-9vSr8&feature=related


11 posted on 05/05/2013 7:40:18 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Kaslin
Just in this one article we can see who supports Common Core, and that should tell us something:

National Governor’s Association (“NGA”), and the Council of Chief State School Officers (“CCSO”), No Child Left Behind Act, President George W. Bush, federal education funds, state Governors and state education Superintendents, Common Core, Inc., a non-profit, 501 (c) 3 organization based in Washington, D.C., American Federation of Teachers, the Fordham Institute, the Foundation for Excellence In Education, former Governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, Governor C.L. “Butch” Otter (R-Idaho), Governor Jerry Brown (D-California), and Governor Duval Patrick (D-Massachusetts), all support the Common Core effort.

When I read that list, I think, WOW! that's a ton of money chasing a problem that is fundamentally simple. Not only is it ton of money, it is a ton of wasted money, because as you have so many people and organizations "collaborating" on a simple problem you end up with a non solution.

The vast majority of politicians and educators are ignorant to the fact it takes very little knowledge to teach every single course taught in American schools, including all AP courses. The knowledge required is equivalent of what used to be taught to college freshmen.

It doesn't take advanced degrees. It doesn't take mega billion dollars of waste. It simple takes a person, not even a teacher, that can decompose a topic into small lessons that are easily consumed by children. Our language hasn't changed, our history hasn't changed, and math and science taught at this level hasn't changed. What changes are political agendas and current events. It isn't surprising that there is so much emphasis on political agendas in our schools and so little emphasis on the things that really matter because all of this is being driven by government and the quest for power and money.

12 posted on 05/05/2013 8:05:00 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Indeed public schools are for teaching not learning.


13 posted on 05/05/2013 8:09:45 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: stansblugrassgrl
I recently started as a substitute teacher in two different public school districts and had my first exposure to Common Core. From what I’ve seen, some of it is nothing but propaganda. I had to read a common core recommended book to kindergarteners on earth day. It made such wild leaps of logic (i.e. eating all your food to save polar bears). The kids were as confused as I was.

First, thank you for working as a substitute teacher. This is an often thankless, poorly paid duty. Even more impressive is that you share your knowledge with the students. It's not common.

I agree that the earth day nonsense is a poor choice for kindergarten students. However, we need to assign blame properly. That's the teacher's fault, not the Common Core. There is no Common Core recommended reading list, at least not from the program itself. The teacher selected that book.

If you go to the Common Core website and look for English/Kindergarten, you'll see that the standards are very common sense. Here are some samples:

CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.4 Ask and answer questions about unknown words in a text.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.5 Recognize common types of texts (e.g., storybooks, poems).
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RL.K.6 With prompting and support, name the author and illustrator of a story and define the role of each in telling the story.

If you've got poor teachers in your district, don't let them off the hook by blaming Common Core.

14 posted on 05/05/2013 8:22:26 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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I understand that some don’t support public schools.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I am one of those people who does NOT support FORCING godlessness on captive children and using POLICE THREAT to force citizens to pay for this abomination.

I do not support a system that FORCES children into a socialist-entitlement environment where the children risk learning to be comfortable with the socialism that the voting mob has given them. I don’t support using police threat to FORCE citizens to pay for this EVIL, either.

Let’s call it what it is: EVIL!


15 posted on 05/05/2013 8:24:02 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
I understand you opposition. Thank you for sharing it.

I teach math to middle school students. Math fluency is a prerequisite for many of the jobs of the future. Surveys of employers say that they need applicants with better math skills. By teaching my students to the best of my ability, I put them in a position to get a job one day.

I'm passionate about what I do. I pray for my students every day during our "moment of silence" just before we recite the Pledge of Allegiance. I left a job paying four times as much as I make now to dedicate myself to young people. I love my kids and want them to be successful. I am granted $100 a year for supplies and materials to bring math alive. Students in my poor rural school outperform many of their more affluent suburban counterparts. I sleep well at night.

16 posted on 05/05/2013 8:41:06 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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My 3 homeschoolers entered college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All finished Calculus III by the age of 15, as well as all of their college general courses. Two earned B.S. degrees in math by the age of 18. One earned a masters in mathematics by the age of 20.

My children are NOT unusual. Homeschoolers are doing similarly well all across this nation.

**IF** the so-called education experts REALLY REALLY REALLY cared about kids they would knocking on the doors of homeschooler to find how they do this. They aren't. I concluded their interest in something other than how well children learn math.

17 posted on 05/05/2013 9:11:31 AM PDT by wintertime
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$100 to bring math alive? Really?

That was the cost of our homeschool curriculum for the entire year. I don't know how I managed with merely a bag of beans and few paper cups.

18 posted on 05/05/2013 9:12:57 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: stansblugrassgrl

“So after reading the story, I asked if anyone knew what compost was”

Yes, teacher, you just read some.


19 posted on 05/05/2013 9:21:41 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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I do need to clarify/correct something I posted earlier. There are some standards associated with History/Social Studies and Science & Technical Subjects, but they are rolled under English Language Arts. They don't address specific content (for example, gay marriage or evolution), but are more about literacy. They seem to me to be non-threatening, and even promote critical thinking. Examples:

History/Social Studies

Identify aspects of a text that reveal an author’s point of view or purpose (e.g., loaded language, inclusion or avoidance of particular facts).

Distinguish among fact, opinion, and reasoned judgment in a text.

Science

Compare and contrast findings presented in a text to those from other sources (including their own experiments), noting when the findings support or contradict previous explanations or accounts.

Follow precisely a multistep procedure when carrying out experiments, taking measurements, or performing technical tasks.

20 posted on 05/05/2013 9:24:11 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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