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Are all telephone calls recorded and accessible to the US government?
The Guardian ^ | May 4, 2013 | Glenn Greenwald

Posted on 05/04/2013 4:17:38 PM PDT by beaversmom

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To: SandRat
DO they monitor and record FR?

Where do ya think all our archived threads disappeared to ? !

21 posted on 05/04/2013 4:47:41 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: tomkat

Wonder if they closely watch the Democratic Underground or the KOS Kitties. bet not.


22 posted on 05/04/2013 4:51:08 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SandRat

Smart bet


23 posted on 05/04/2013 4:51:46 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: beaversmom

Digitized voice is just 7K bytes/sec. Storing phone conversations would not take that much storage space by today’s standards.

Storing all text messages (which seems to be the preferred method of communication by the younger generation) is trivial.


24 posted on 05/04/2013 4:55:47 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: beaversmom

The words “Carnivore” and “Echelon” ring any bells?


25 posted on 05/04/2013 5:02:46 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: PapaBear3625

“Storing all text messages (which seems to be the preferred method of communication by the younger generation) is trivial.”

Listening to them is though...


26 posted on 05/04/2013 5:08:23 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

“Listening to them is though...”

Excuse me... Listening to them is not though...


27 posted on 05/04/2013 5:09:26 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: SandRat

Yes, and I would say that net postings —not just those at FR, though I’m sure here is of particular interest— are plum because the data load is SO low and the signal is SO clean compared to worky stuff like phone calls that often require abundant processing.

Whenever you get NSA people denying that they “store data” about Americans you have to understand that they have their whole own LEXICON that they employ to issue denials.

For example: info and data are not exactly the same thing. Data is raw facts, and when data are oganized it becomes information. So if you have someone from NSA vehemently saying they don’t store much information about Americans, TECHNICALLY he is telling the truth; it’s DATA that is the really voluminous thing they’re storing, not information.

And it gets WAY more legalistic and technical than that, too —like “store” absolutely means something totally different at NSA as compared with the Average Joe.

How could “store” mean anything other than what YOU hold the word to mean, right? Well I’ll remind you that a former Prez does not think “is” means the same thing as you think, and in the case of NSA today the stakes are WAY higher, and the underlying complexity of all matters is considerably more robust.

When “Joe” asks NSA a question he THINKS he understands NSA’s answer, but NSA understood the words contained in Joe’s question in a different way than Joe himself understood them, so Joe only THINKS he understands NSA’s answer.

NSA constantly takes advantage of this lexiconic difference in order to issue statements that only *appear* reassuring —the two sides are literally not speaking the same language, and one of the two guys is so lost that he does not realize he’s lost.

In short: UDC is an extraConstitutional microstate which spies on ANOTHER country called the USA —the territory outside their fence. Everyone inside was BORN in the USA and shares most of their values, except for the most important ones.


28 posted on 05/04/2013 5:09:39 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: tet68

> I’d reply but I don’t want it recorded.

Everything that can ever be said, written or thought has already been recorded.


29 posted on 05/04/2013 5:12:01 PM PDT by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: beaversmom

I thought the UK gubberment monitors all the US calls for our gubberment and the US gubberment monitors all the UK calls for them.

FReegards


30 posted on 05/04/2013 5:21:47 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: x_plus_one
Would CW help?

Not a bit. In my prime, I could copy about 18 words a minute.

31 posted on 05/04/2013 5:32:31 PM PDT by Mark17 (My body is in California, but my heart is in the Philippines)
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To: beaversmom

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/05/31/what_are_those_words/

Words that trigger echelon (2001)


32 posted on 05/04/2013 5:36:38 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: beaversmom

If you’re not a criminal or a terrorist plotting something nefarious, why do you care? The Feds aren’t going to waste time and manpower listening to you cuss out your brother on the phone because he let his wife steal your lawn mower.


33 posted on 05/04/2013 5:36:58 PM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: beaversmom

Homeland Security’s Long, Long List of Social Media Buzzwords
http://www.geekosystem.com/dhs-list-of-buzzwords/


34 posted on 05/04/2013 5:45:43 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: beaversmom
Obama and his minions want to do the Conservatives and lovers of Liberty what Hitler and his friends did to the Jews and Gypsies.
35 posted on 05/04/2013 5:49:04 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (I blame the Obama)
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To: beaversmom

Oh those guns! And nothing turns me on like a huge phat ass in a tie-dyed dress over too-tight French bikini briefs! Yowza!


36 posted on 05/04/2013 5:54:08 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

This isn’t about Obama. Phone call recording and other unconstitutional monitoring has been going on for a long time.


37 posted on 05/04/2013 5:54:26 PM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: Mark17

You should talk to my wife sometime. She cleared 300 WPM in her prime. People like that scare me.


38 posted on 05/04/2013 5:56:22 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: jespasinthru

“Why sure, officer! Go ahead and search my house. I have nothing to hide!”

Except for the illegal drugs/firearms the crooked cop plants on you. You trust ‘em? I don’t. The more people who don’t care, the harder it is on those of us who do.


39 posted on 05/04/2013 5:59:06 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: SandRat
DO they monitor and record FR?

What do you think?

They can kiss my ass!

F U B O !

40 posted on 05/04/2013 5:59:55 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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