Posted on 05/02/2013 4:07:23 PM PDT by presidio9
Addressing Planned Parenthood last week, President Obama made what must be one of the least self-aware statements of his tenure. "Forty years after the Supreme Court affirmed a woman's constitutional right to privacy, including the right to choose, we shouldn't have to remind people that when it comes to a woman's health, no politician should get to decide what's best for you," he said. "No insurer should get to decide what kind of care that you get. The only person who should get to make decisions about your health is you."
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I believe a fiscally conservative openly homosexual POTUS who respected the Constitution, the military and the second amendment could do less damage, and possibly more good, than a tax and spend, “living Document” person who thought Government the solution to every ill professional politician even if said pol were a professed and practicing Christian .
>>I am scratching my head about what it has
>>to do with me, abortion or libertarianism.
It has to do with PRETENDING. You’re pretending you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda and still be conservative.
What does that have to do with how good of a job they do as POTUS?
The survival of the culture.
Again, what you appear to be advocating for is something called "litmus tests." I find this odd, because previously you appeared to be a dedicated libertarian, but... whatever.
I, on the other hand, have made it quite clear that I have no use for litmus tests. Obviously different policies that are generally associated with conservatism occupy different positions on the political hierarchy. As far as I am concerned, there is only one absolute dealbreaker: Abortion. You can be a "Pro-Choice Republican," if you must. There is absolutely no such thing as a "Pro-Choice Conservative." Or "conservative," for that matter.
Now, we've been over this before but the mental block you seem to be having is your inability to distinguish "non conservative positions held by conservatives" from "conservative positions." There is a HUGE difference, I assure you.
Let me put it another way: "All men are mortal. Socrates was a man. Therefore Socrates was mortal." According to the "logic" you seem to be trying to employ here, it would therefore follow that "All men are Socrates." Doesn't work that way.
Thats a YES - you believe you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda and still be conservative.
You have pointed out a nominal conservative, Dick Cheney, who has expressed some sympathy for the cause of gay marriage. I'm sure that has something to do with him having a gay daughter, but that's neither here nor there.
A am not aware of any nominal conservative who is ambivalent to adultery and supporting the homosexual agenda at this time. I'll let you know when I spot one.
While we're at it, noob, I just noticed that you decided to ping littlejeremiah into this thread. I can't imagine he will see this conversation worthy of his time, but I can't think of anyone better to vouch for my credentials on this subject. I have pinged him into hundreds of threads over the years. He has done the same for me.
Just be sure you figure a way to get your point before he does.
Thats a YES - you believe you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda and still be conservative.
I am guessing that what you are now trying to say that for you support of gay marriage is a deal breaker. It is impossible for a conservative to support gay marriage.Correct?
I actually have some sympathy for that point of view, I may have even felt that way at some point, but I have rejected litmus tests as impractical. Instead, I look at the whole of a man, and measure him individually.
Personally, I do not advocate for gay marriage, but I generally accept Dick Cheney as a conservative. So, yes, it appears that it is possible to advocate for some aspect of gay marriage and still be a conservative. Now, advocating for the "homosexual agenda?" I can't image a true conservative who would want to, based on how I define the term. How do you define it?
I can assure you right now that there are people on this website, a majority perhaps, who substitute "amnesty" for "the homosexual agenda" in the point you are trying to make (but who can tell, really). By that logic, Ronald Reagan was not a conservative, right?
No, on that position he was wrong.
Thats a YES - you, presidio9, believe you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda and still be conservative.
I have no doubt you watched "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure." You don't understand logic one bit.
Here, I'll throw yours back at you:
As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed a law legalizing abortion. Was Ronald Reagan a conservative?
You might be the biggest idiot I have come across in FR in the past couple of years. Congradulations.
>>It is impossible for a conservative to support gay marriage.
It is impossible to hold up the abomination of nature as normal and CONSERVE a moral culture.
You are confused again. That is not the same thing as conservative political philosophy.
And I'm not sure that Dick Cheney ever "[held] up the abomination of nature as normal," if that is indeed your point (at last).
So, was Ronald Reagan a conservative?
http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=9
BTW, a keyword search of ""presidio9" "homosexualagenda"" returned 10,700 results. You're barking up the wrong tree dumbass.
>>That is not the same thing as conservative
>>political philosophy.
Maybe in your circle of homosexual friend’s NewSpeak dictionary it isn’t.
I think the meaning is self-evident, and supported by biological fact.
An amoral culture is not a conserved culture.
blo·vi·ate
/ˈblōvēˌāt/
Verb
Talk at length, esp. in an inflated or empty way.
So, was Ronald Reagan a conservative?
Not my problem if logic makes your head spin. Perhaps you should have paid more attention in school.
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