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When He Talks Abortion, President Obama Pretends to Be a Libertarian
The Atlantic ^ | Apr 29 2013 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 05/02/2013 4:07:23 PM PDT by presidio9

Addressing Planned Parenthood last week, President Obama made what must be one of the least self-aware statements of his tenure. "Forty years after the Supreme Court affirmed a woman's constitutional right to privacy, including the right to choose, we shouldn't have to remind people that when it comes to a woman's health, no politician should get to decide what's best for you," he said. "No insurer should get to decide what kind of care that you get. The only person who should get to make decisions about your health is you."

It's no secret that

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; deathpanels; healthcare; individualmandate; libertarian; libertariandumasses; obama; obamacare; plannedparenthood; zerocare
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To: TArcher

I believe a fiscally conservative openly homosexual POTUS who respected the Constitution, the military and the second amendment could do less damage, and possibly more good, than a tax and spend, “living Document” person who thought Government the solution to every ill professional politician even if said pol were a professed and practicing Christian .


141 posted on 05/20/2013 6:35:15 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: presidio9; little jeremiah

>>I am scratching my head about what it has
>>to do with me, abortion or libertarianism.

It has to do with PRETENDING. You’re pretending you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda — and still be conservative.


142 posted on 05/20/2013 6:38:05 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: RedStateRocker
What’s the socio-biological reproductive fitness of a homosexual pair measured over multiple generations?

 

 
Sex, Evolution and Behavior
By Martin Daly and Margo Wilson
 
 
Got Socio-Biological Fitness?
 
 "Gay" penguins don't - not even in the San Francisco zoo
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=San+Francisco+gay+penguins
 
FAIL.

143 posted on 05/20/2013 6:42:00 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher

What does that have to do with how good of a job they do as POTUS?


144 posted on 05/20/2013 6:44:14 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: RedStateRocker

The survival of the culture.


145 posted on 05/20/2013 6:46:51 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
It has to do with PRETENDING. You’re pretending you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda — and still be conservative.

Again, what you appear to be advocating for is something called "litmus tests." I find this odd, because previously you appeared to be a dedicated libertarian, but... whatever.

I, on the other hand, have made it quite clear that I have no use for litmus tests. Obviously different policies that are generally associated with conservatism occupy different positions on the political hierarchy. As far as I am concerned, there is only one absolute dealbreaker: Abortion. You can be a "Pro-Choice Republican," if you must. There is absolutely no such thing as a "Pro-Choice Conservative." Or "conservative," for that matter.

Now, we've been over this before but the mental block you seem to be having is your inability to distinguish "non conservative positions held by conservatives" from "conservative positions." There is a HUGE difference, I assure you.

Let me put it another way: "All men are mortal. Socrates was a man. Therefore Socrates was mortal." According to the "logic" you seem to be trying to employ here, it would therefore follow that "All men are Socrates." Doesn't work that way.

146 posted on 05/20/2013 6:49:04 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

That’s a YES - you believe you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda — and still be conservative.


147 posted on 05/20/2013 6:55:53 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher; little jeremiah
I am aware of nominal conservatives like Newt Gingrich, who appear ambivaleant to adultry. Again, on this position, they are not conservative.

You have pointed out a nominal conservative, Dick Cheney, who has expressed some sympathy for the cause of gay marriage. I'm sure that has something to do with him having a gay daughter, but that's neither here nor there.

A am not aware of any nominal conservative who is ambivalent to adultery and supporting the homosexual agenda at this time. I'll let you know when I spot one.

While we're at it, noob, I just noticed that you decided to ping littlejeremiah into this thread. I can't imagine he will see this conversation worthy of his time, but I can't think of anyone better to vouch for my credentials on this subject. I have pinged him into hundreds of threads over the years. He has done the same for me.

Just be sure you figure a way to get your point before he does.

148 posted on 05/20/2013 7:08:16 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

That’s a YES - you believe you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda — and still be conservative.


149 posted on 05/20/2013 7:11:14 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
Copying and pasting your previous post is not a point. Here let me help you:

I am guessing that what you are now trying to say that for you support of gay marriage is a deal breaker. It is impossible for a conservative to support gay marriage.Correct?

I actually have some sympathy for that point of view, I may have even felt that way at some point, but I have rejected litmus tests as impractical. Instead, I look at the whole of a man, and measure him individually.

Personally, I do not advocate for gay marriage, but I generally accept Dick Cheney as a conservative. So, yes, it appears that it is possible to advocate for some aspect of gay marriage and still be a conservative. Now, advocating for the "homosexual agenda?" I can't image a true conservative who would want to, based on how I define the term. How do you define it?

I can assure you right now that there are people on this website, a majority perhaps, who substitute "amnesty" for "the homosexual agenda" in the point you are trying to make (but who can tell, really). By that logic, Ronald Reagan was not a conservative, right?

No, on that position he was wrong.

150 posted on 05/20/2013 7:22:32 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Don't need any of your bloviated help, Socrates - I'm already comfortable that the truth is self-evident:

That’s a YES - you, presidio9, believe you can be ambivalent to adultery, support the homosexual agenda — and still be conservative.

Now run along and enjoy your hemlock.

151 posted on 05/20/2013 7:26:55 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
Don't need any of your bloviated help, Socrates - I'm already comfortable that the truth is self-evident:

I have no doubt you watched "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure." You don't understand logic one bit.

Here, I'll throw yours back at you:

As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed a law legalizing abortion. Was Ronald Reagan a conservative?

You might be the biggest idiot I have come across in FR in the past couple of years. Congradulations.

152 posted on 05/20/2013 7:32:12 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

>>It is impossible for a conservative to support gay marriage.

It is impossible to hold up the abomination of nature as normal and CONSERVE a moral culture.


153 posted on 05/20/2013 7:34:51 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
It is impossible to hold up the abomination of nature as normal and CONSERVE a moral culture.

You are confused again. That is not the same thing as conservative political philosophy.

And I'm not sure that Dick Cheney ever "[held] up the abomination of nature as normal," if that is indeed your point (at last).

So, was Ronald Reagan a conservative?

154 posted on 05/20/2013 7:38:19 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Was Ronald Reagan a conservative?

Well Gee Opie, I s'pose that depends somewhat on the RINOs who elected him.
 
 
"Ohhhhho say can you seee...."
 
Eyes Wide Shut

"8-1984 - Lawrence King [Homosexual and alleged Pedophile] throws a lavish party in Dallas, Texas, after singing the National Anthem at the Republican National GOP Convention."

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=Lawrence+king+singing+pedophile+franklin&oq=Lawrence+king+singing+pedophile+franklin

 

http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=11&Itemid=9


155 posted on 05/20/2013 7:39:37 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
You're getting incoherent again. Are you saying that Ronald Reagan was NOT a conservative? Because that would be news to me.

BTW, a keyword search of ""presidio9" "homosexualagenda"" returned 10,700 results. You're barking up the wrong tree dumbass.

156 posted on 05/20/2013 7:43:22 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

>>That is not the same thing as conservative
>>political philosophy.

Maybe in your circle of homosexual friend’s NewSpeak dictionary it isn’t.

I think the meaning is self-evident, and supported by biological fact.

An amoral culture is not a conserved culture.


157 posted on 05/20/2013 7:45:19 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: presidio9

>>BTW, a keyword search of ""presidio9"

 

blo·vi·ate  

/ˈblōvēˌāt/
Verb
Talk at length, esp. in an inflated or empty way.

 

158 posted on 05/20/2013 7:47:51 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: TArcher
The point you are trying to make keeps changing because you are having a lot of difficult articulating it. Now it seems to be that, as far as you are concerned, no conservative can ever advocate for gay marriage. Gay marriage is your number one political issue. A good part of your day is spent thinking about gay sex. Got it.

So, was Ronald Reagan a conservative?

159 posted on 05/20/2013 7:56:36 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: TArcher

Not my problem if logic makes your head spin. Perhaps you should have paid more attention in school.


160 posted on 05/20/2013 7:57:39 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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