Posted on 05/02/2013 5:42:42 AM PDT by Kaslin
A procedural twist means the anti-gun rights agenda of President Barack Obama and the Democrats was not stopped when, April 17th, a series of amendments at the heart of the bill to ban so-called assault weapons was defeated.
“But make no mistake: this debate is not over. This is not the end of the fight. Republicans are in an unsustainable position – crosswise with nine out of ten Americans,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D.-Nev.). The nine-out-of-ten quote refers to polls that show overwhelming support for the expansion of pre-gun purchase background checks sponsored by Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R.-Pa.) and Sen. Joseph Manchin III (D.-W.V.), which was written with major input by Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D.-N.Y.).
“Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of Senate Republicans ignored the voices of an overwhelming majority of Americans,” he said.
“Yesterday, the families of gun violence victims watched as Republicans defeated a common-sense proposal to expand background checks,” he said. “Democrats will consider all of our options on how to proceed with this legislation.”
This is not an idle threat. I am not sure if I can explain this correctly. When the Toomey-Manchin background checks amendment failed April 17th, 55-47, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D.-Nev.) switched his vote to the prevailing side making the vote 54-46, which is the final tally. With Reid now on the prevailing side, he then laid a motion to reconsider upon the table--where it sits waiting.
Normally, there is a two-step process to Senate votes. First, there is the motion to proceed, followed by the actual vote. When you hear about a filibuster, most times it is in regards to the motion to proceed, and the 60 vote-threshold is on closing floor debate, which then leads to the agenda item that passes or fails on a simple majority.
To speed the process along, Reid and the Democrats skipped the motion to precede vote, because with the cooperation of the Republicans, he received unanimous consent that each of the amendments to the anti-gun rights bill require a 60-vote majority to pass.
The 60-vote threshold vital to Democrats, as much as it is to Republicans, because once it is clear the tally will fall short of the 60, it is easier for Democrats needing a pro-gun vote get a “cover vote.” Similarly, Republicans needing getting pressure from gun control lobbyists get same free play without affecting the outcome.
By conflating the two steps, Reid satisfied the 60-vote threshold, but he also set the amendments for quick and easier passage when the time is right. As majority leader, his motion to reconsider is a privileged motion, immune from amendments and filibusters. In addition, because the 60-vote threshold was created by the special circumstance of unanimous consent, the reconsideration of the amendments revert to the requirement of a simple majority.
Unspoken in all of this is the understanding that Democrats are waiting for the next spree shooter to go berserk. When he does, and the mood of the nation is panicked about guns, their program will be on the shelf waiting.
Manchin has not given up, but Toomey will not go back for another round.
Chris Wallace on the Fox News Sunday program asked Manchin if he was thought he could bring the background check bill back.
“I certainly do. The only thing that we've asked for is that people would just read the bill. It's a criminal and mental background check strictly at gun shows and online sales,” said the West Virginia senator.
“I truly believe if we have time to sell the bill, and people will read the bill, and I'm willing to go anywhere in this country, I'm going to debate anybody on this issue, read the bill and you tell me what you don't like,” he said.
When Wallace told Manchin he co-sponsor Toomey was out, the senator said it was not true.
“I don't think he's done. I really don't know. I was with Pat last night and Pat's totally committed to this bill and I believe that with all of my heart and we're going to work this bill,” he said.
Manchin might want to rely less on Toomey and more on Reid.
When the Pennsylvania senator stepped forward to support expanding background checks, the president’s program to restrict gun rights was stalled out, so it was a shock to Capitol Hill conservatives. In January, he took over the Republican Steering Committee, the leading conservative bloc in the Senate, replacing James W. DeMint, who is now leading the Heritage Foundation.
In the steering committee meetings that followed, Toomey’s colleagues told him flat out that in his position, he should not be partnering with the White House on gun control.
Although, he always voted the National Rifle Association’s line, Toomey, the former president of the Club for Growth, had never been vocal on gun rights. After the blowback from this foray, there is little doubt he will stray from his core competencies soon.
The Keystone State senator filed a bill Jan. 23 to amend the Constitution to create term limits for senators and congressmen. When a reporter asked him recently if he still supported term limits, he said his support of background checks was proof he did—at least for himself.
Reid was full of sh*t last month; he’s just as full of sh*t this month.
The man is nothing short of a CRIMINAL! in the private sector, he’d have been tried and convicted already.
Harry the near-Mormon lies. But of course we expect that with ALL democrips. AHrry serves the father of lies. He looks like such a nice old gentleman, doesn’t he? ... But in that soul is death, dripping, oozing, putrid, death.
Next Time, the NRA Will Lose
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More like hoping for and pushing unstable people and emphasizing gun free victim zones.
What the writer ignores is that this is the very reason another gun bill is dead on arrival; the ability to offer amendments by simple majority means that a National Right To Carry amendment would pass and become part of the legislation. That same amendment got 59 votes the last time around, and Chuckie Shumer and his ilk will not take the chance that it could be offered with a simple majority vote.
this debate is not over until we've grabbed your guns and all remaining personal Liberty.
I believe so also.Thesands of time are rapidly running out for us. To Wit: Christians, Whites, legitimate gun owners, individuals who believe that we should be governed by the parameters set forth in the Constitution, Individuals who still believe that we are still a soverign Nation,[not a member of the federaion of planets or a satillite of communist China],Individuals who still believe in individual responsibility and inititive. For the aforementioned, the time is rapidally approaching that they will either have to shit or get off the pot. Because this new regime has plans to kill us and our families because for their purposes we are untrainable and will be a pain in their ass until elimanated. They are, at this moment, working to implement those plans. Once they are in place,the extermination begins, one can go quitely or they can go kicking and screaming, but either way, they are going.
The FEMA headquarters for four Southwestern states is less than a mile from my door. They could haul me away in a wheelbarrow, they don’t even need a truck. I’m not scared. Come and take them.
Hey harry... EVEN NPR HAS A POLL ON THEIR SITE THIS MORNING WHERE 95%+ SAY NO MORE GUN CONTROL! YOU AND YOUR FELLOW COMMUNISTS ARE EVIL DEMONS AND DESERVE THE WRATH OF GOD HIMSELF.
LLS
This turd has been circling the bowl long enough. Flush him now !
The Nazis like Reid aren’t going to be happy until they disarm America.
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Illinois Lawmaker Explodes Over Dems’ Attempt to Sneak Significant Amendment Into Concealed Carry Bill: ‘Keep Playing Games!’
May. 1, 2013 6:42pm Jason Howerton
Leftys never give up. They are always plotting ways to subvert the consitiution either through parlimentary technicalities, phony polls, phony science, emotionalism, lies and/or other trickery. Unfortunately our side seems unable, unwilling, or too naive to counter these tactics.
Since when must Congress act on something based on polling data? Seriously, if we keep reducing important issues down to how they poll, why even have a government? Why go to the voting booth? Why don't we just hand the reins of out country to Quinnipeac College or Reuters?
The GOP should come back and say that a larger majority of people don't want Obamacare, but that's still a law.
The Bill of Rights trumps any and every poll.
But try to tell that to a professional politician whose entire life is polling data.
The Founding Fathers must certainly be turning over in their graves at what their United States has become.
Since when must Congress act on something based on polling data? Seriously, if we keep reducing important issues down to how they poll, why even have a government? Why go to the voting booth? Why don't we just hand the reins of out country to Quinnipeac College or Reuters?
The GOP should come back and say that a larger majority of people don't want Obamacare, but that's still a law.
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