Posted on 05/01/2013 9:27:40 AM PDT by Nachum
The Pentagon has released a statement confirming that soldiers could be prosecuted for promoting their faith: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis...”.
The statement, released to Fox News, follows a Breitbart News report on Obama administration Pentagon appointees meeting with anti-Christian extremist Mikey Weinstein to develop court-martial procedures to punish Christians in the military who express or share their faith.
(From our earlier report: Weinstein is the head of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, and says Christians--including chaplains--sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ in the military are guilty of “treason,” and of committing an act of “spiritual rape” as serious a crime as “sexual assault.” He also asserted that Christians sharing their faith in the military are “enemies of the Constitution.”)
Being convicted in a court martial means that a soldier has committed a crime under federal military law. Punishment for a court martial can include imprisonment and being dishonorably discharged from the military.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
Thank you for your kind words, NYer.
There was no doubt after checking many sources that Pope JPII best stated the Christian position, most concisely and most comprehensively.
Interesting, thanks.
There are news reports that the MMRFF met with some unspecified person(s) from the Pentagon, and there are some claims of a "written statement" from a Department of Defense spoksman, "LCDR Nate Christensen". I found nothing on the DOD website about the MMRF, or similar press release.
Of course, Weinstein and his organization are hyping it up as if the meeting had been held on Mt. Sinai between him and Moses. And a lot of Christian nonprofit organizations are raising alarms (and donations) by hyperventilating about the same phrases, but with no independent verification of what actually occurred.
There is reference to an August 7, 2012, Air Force document, Air Force Culture, Air Force Standards, and Section 2.11:
"2.11. Government Neutrality Regarding Religion. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. For example, they must avoid the actual or apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion. Commanders or supervisors who engage in such behavior may cause members to doubt their impartiality and objectivity. The potential result is a degradation of the unit’s morale, good order, and discipline. Airmen, especially commanders and supervisors, must ensure that in exercising their right of religious free expression, they do not degrade morale, good order, and discipline in the Air Force or degrade the trust and confidence that the public has in the United States Air Force."
However Section 2.11 only prohibits using one's position or rank to promote personal religious beliefs, e.g., ordering subordinates to attend a religious service or to read or listen to some religious materials. It does not absolutely prohibit discussing or practicing one's religious beliefs. This is further enforcd by Section 2.12:
"2.12. Free Exercise of Religion and Religious Accommodation. Supporting the right of free exercise of religion relates directly to the Air Force core values and the ability to maintain an effective team.
2.12.1. All Airmen are able to choose to practice their particular religion, or subscribe to no religious belief at all. You should confidently practice your own beliefs while respecting others whose viewpoints differ from your own.
2.12.2. Your right to practice your religious beliefs does not excuse you from complying with directives, instructions, and lawful orders; however, you may request religious accommodation. Requests can be denied based on military necessity. Commanders and supervisors at all levels are expected to ensure that requests for religious accommodation are dealt with fairly."
Maybe we should keep some perspective in all this.
I read your post and thought that I had written most of it. I used to try to tell others what was happening and what was coming. Learned real fast they did not know, did not care , and did not care. Among my responses were,”Well, it will get better soon”, “God is in control”, “Nixon did it too”,”Well, the Democrats do care for the little guy”, “You are just a doom and gloomer”. They will learn for themselves soon enough.
A lot can happen between now and May 8th, My Friend,I would not get my hopes too high.
Right. I don’t see classic traditional civil war. Outdated and futile. I see individual and small groups simply refusing to go along and mucking up the works. Guerilla warfare not conventional. Also addition of more aggressive members of Congress to protest and shake things up within Congress itself. Ted Cruz on steroids. I think this will start getting ugly.
Not surprising. This forum is riddled with judas goats and termites.
I can’t talk to anyone about it because when I tried, they just called me paranoid.
Just because I may be “paranoid” doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get me.
This feeling of dread has become more and more dire. I read today, May 8th, the whistle blowers will be testifying.
I don’t think the white hut will allow it to happen.
Dire is the word I've been trying to think of. Thanks.
I pray - that's right, I said it - no whistleblowers come to harm.
I don't think Obama's Army [<_______ click]is fully implemented. Yet.“May 8th, the whistle blowers will be testifying.
I don’t think the white hut will allow it to happen.”
Hope they don’t get “Breitbart’d”.
Pray FReepers, for their safety.
Yeah, but if he wuz white, we wouldn't mind that... at least that's what I hear.
They are doing this to promote their end goal which is communism which is their end goal.
Chaplain, I am a strong believer in Prayer. There are three ways that men get what they want; by planning, by working, and by Praying. Any great military operation takes careful planning, or thinking. Then you must have well-trained troops to carry it out: that's working. But between the plan and the operation there is always an unknown. That unknown spells defeat or victory, success or failure. It is the reaction of the actors to the ordeal when it actually comes. Some people call that getting the breaks; I call it God. God has His part, or margin in everything, That's where prayer comes in. Up to now, in the Third Army, God has been very good to us. We have never retreated; we have suffered no defeats, no famine, no epidemics. This is because a lot of people back home are praying for us. We were lucky in Africa, in Sicily, and in Italy. Simply because people prayed. But we have to pray for ourselves, too. A good soldier is not made merely by making him think and work. There is something in every soldier that goes deeper than thinking or working--it's his "guts." It is something that he has built in there: it is a world of truth and power that is higher than himself. Great living is not all output of thought and work. A man has to have intake as well. I don't know what you it, but I call it Religion, Prayer, or God.
If SHTF before May 8th.....here comes martial law. The guy who spoke to GB, about being decapitated if they spoke, was serious.
If these evil ones can BEHEAD those who come forward and spill the truth of light, we're screwed.
Let my boss think I'm nutso (he already does in a funny, loving way)but I'm going in tomorrow to tell him to get his 2 kids the heck out of NYC, at least for a few days. May 4th -9th.
NYC is a becca for an attack.
Something very evil is coming our way; however, I always thought it would be on the 4th of July.
May 8th....whistle blowers testifying. Off by a few months.
You are right! Caliphate!
I believe in a Deity, but am not otherwise 'religious'.
I do see this country slowly coming apart, along red state/blue state lines. Expect more of what I call “civil disobedence” among Americans as well.
As much as I hate to say it, the breaking up of America along the red/blue states lines is going on now.
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