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What Will Happen When The Government Collapses?
The Western Center for Journalism ^ | Arpil 27, 2013 | Floyd Brown

Posted on 04/29/2013 9:11:55 AM PDT by Perseverando

Yesterday, my colleague, Marty Biancuzzo, explained why America is on a path to inevitable economic and government collapse.

After reading Marty’s piece, another colleague asked me: What will America look like after a government collapse?

It’s an important question, and I want to give a satisfactory answer. But I can’t do that in one short column, so I plan to return to this topic several times over the next few weeks. I hope that when I’m done, you will have a better understanding of where the country is headed.

Now, consider our current situation…

It’s clear that Barack Obama and Congress have no plan to get the dead-in-the-water economy moving. In fact, they appear to be completely incompetent.

Too many Americans are jobless, an excessive number of Americans are dependent on government handouts to eat, and the countless Americans who could contribute to the economic recovery are frozen in place, unwilling to take risks due to an uncertain regulatory environment.

Now, it’s fashionable in some governmental circles to argue that another Great Depression could never happen. Politicians reason that America at present has far more tools to prevent such a cataclysm.

They believe that “things are different this time.” If only they knew how right they were.

It Is Different This Time… It’s Worse

I’ve heard investment advisors, central bankers, and politicians use the phrase “It’s different this time” so often, I want to wretch. This asinine statement is arrogant beyond reason.

Frankly, I believe we’re much more vulnerable to a prolonged depression than we were in 1929.

Here’s the truth: Today’s monetary manipulation may forestall a bust, but it can’t change the fact that one is inevitable. And when it arrives, it’ll be more devastating and difficult to solve than in the past.

(Excerpt) Read more at westernjournalism.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1929; collapse; cw2; cwii; depression; economy; greatdepression; martiallaw; nationaldebt; nolink; preppers; shtf
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1 posted on 04/29/2013 9:11:55 AM PDT by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando
What Will Happen When The Government Collapses?

Freedom?

2 posted on 04/29/2013 9:13:46 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Perseverando

Sorry, left off the link to source: http://www.westernjournalism.com/what-will-happen-when-the-government-collapses/


3 posted on 04/29/2013 9:14:02 AM PDT by Perseverando (The truth is hate to those who hate the truth.)
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To: Perseverando

SHTF/WROL


4 posted on 04/29/2013 9:14:33 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Perseverando

1 - They will confiscate all the personal wealth they can get their hands on.

2 - They will finish turning the country into a totalitarian police state - in the interest of safety of course.


5 posted on 04/29/2013 9:15:33 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: Perseverando
What Will Happen When The Government Collapses?

Mexicans will take over my Phoenix neighborhood and break into my house and murder me.

6 posted on 04/29/2013 9:17:14 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Perseverando

Interesting post. Thanks.


7 posted on 04/29/2013 9:17:50 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Perseverando
It’s clear that Barack Obama and Congress have no plan to get the dead-in-the-water economy moving. In fact, they appear to be completely incompetent.

Incorrect assumption. They know EXACTLY what they are doing. They are QUITE competent in destroying us.
8 posted on 04/29/2013 9:18:01 AM PDT by Edgar3 (Don't THREAD on me!)
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To: Perseverando

bfl


9 posted on 04/29/2013 9:18:20 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Cyprus - the beginning)
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To: donna

“That’s the rumor.” /Doc Holliday in “Tombstone”


10 posted on 04/29/2013 9:18:48 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Perseverando

The freeways will be kind of crowded with all of the foreign and UN troops zipping around trying to get their hands on our WMD.


11 posted on 04/29/2013 9:22:44 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Perseverando
Off the top of my head I'm not aware of a major government collapsing absent actual invasion and conquest. Historically, governments do become so inept that their governance becomes almost totally nonexistent.

Now that those people who founded, developed and managed our country until 2008 have abdicated their right to govern we are undergoing an invasion and conquest by Third World denizens. It will be interesting to see if blacks and Mexicans actually come to blows in order to determine who shall take the remaining wealth of the Euro American.

12 posted on 04/29/2013 9:27:28 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Perseverando

And other countries are in a better position than they were after WW1 and WW2.

Which means they will wave as they pass us by.


13 posted on 04/29/2013 9:28:01 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Perseverando

14 posted on 04/29/2013 9:28:56 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: Perseverando
Think "Walking Dead", except, replace zombies with EBT card holders........

Oh, and you don't have to worry about trying to make head shots......

15 posted on 04/29/2013 9:31:02 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist.............one more time.............)
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To: Perseverando

Riots, Death, Destruction by simple minded Americans, marshal law, politicians hanging on a rope, a dictator and has control of the military, etc. Need more shi! or are we too dense not to understand this depression will make the 30’s look like a cake walk. Impeach King Obama and get the Senate in 2014 start the turnaround. Might work.


16 posted on 04/29/2013 9:33:38 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Perseverando

Every major city will make Detroit look prosperous.


17 posted on 04/29/2013 9:33:46 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Perseverando

What will happen when the government collapses?

As it has in all ages:

“the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.” - The Declaration of Independence


18 posted on 04/29/2013 9:34:45 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Kartographer

ping


19 posted on 04/29/2013 9:36:09 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: unixfox

Bullets will fly. Food, fuel, and electricity will be nonexistent for 6 months.


20 posted on 04/29/2013 9:37:19 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: donna

They will be met by a hail of gunfire from my house in Tempe


21 posted on 04/29/2013 9:38:37 AM PDT by clamper1797 (De-throne King Obozo)
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To: Envisioning

Martial law will be declared. There will be a run on the banks as well as all food and fuel resources.

Libs everywhere will be turned loose by the government to attack conservatives. Unable to do that, the libs will tell authorities where those conservatives are.

Camps will be built to “protect” true Americans as libs loot everything in site.

At this point opportunistic countries will make their play.

Those of us who managed to stay under the radar will find each other and take back our country. The new will put those who destroyed us on trial and hang them as they aren’t worth the bullets.

Wolverines!!!


22 posted on 04/29/2013 9:40:54 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The reason we own guns is to protect ourselves from those wanting to take our guns from us.)
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To: DownInFlames
Bullets will fly. Food, fuel, and electricity will be nonexistent for 6 months.

But isn't the right more armed than the left? If the Govt collapsed, wouldn't those who own arms have more power than the libs? the conservatives act on principle, not emotions.

23 posted on 04/29/2013 9:42:26 AM PDT by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: Travis McGee

PING!!!

This thread needs your pics!!


24 posted on 04/29/2013 9:42:42 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Perseverando

Look what is happening right before your eyes and take heed. There’s a Great Storm coming you can feel it.

We have enter a time that George Orwell spoke of ‘as a time of universal deceit, wherein telling the truth will be considered a revolutionary act’ or as the bible says a time ‘in which men call evil good, and good evil’.

Listen to what the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3

One of the things that will hurt is the fact that many will not except that a breakdown is occurring even as they watch it happening before their eyes. Why don’t they realize it?It’s caused by a condition called ‘Normalcy Bias’ a mental state people enter when facing a disaster.

It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

A good article on ‘Normalcy Bias’ is on our own ChocChipCookies Blog The Survival Mom:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/12/29/normalcy-bias/

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become their ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Its your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm blanket and a kiss for your boo-boo and maybe you can even get your picture as you stand there on the national news.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpful. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf
NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Again I like to recomend FReeper’s ChocoChipCookie Blog The Survival Mom (Please Blog Police let this one slide!) Where you can get lots of useful information like:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/11/20/8-morale-boosters-for-any-worst-case-scenario/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/02/02/survival-priorities-the-rule-of-three/

And More

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.
Underestimation can be fatal.”


25 posted on 04/29/2013 9:43:25 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


26 posted on 04/29/2013 9:43:59 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

My only fear is an armed incursion. Although no country has a blue water navy and can move people here en masse, our southern “friends” will be happy to help take back their land. Bammy will be too busy killing Americans to turn our military on anyone. Not too mention the loss of men due to AWOL’ers going home.

It makes me extremely sad to think what kind of world my children and their children are getting.


27 posted on 04/29/2013 9:45:59 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Perseverando
What will happen? Just look around; it's happening already. Various states are passing nullification bills stating that any federal usurpations of authority beyond that given in the Constitution are null and void and will not only be ignored but will be actively resisted. Yes, many of these bills are 2nd Amendment-specific, but not all, and that won't continue to be the case. The federal government will collapse, but some states will survive just fine. And some will collapse right along with the feds. And you already know how to predict which are which, too.

As for me here in MD (definitely going down, hard and fast), if the collapse holds off for a few years until I can retire the wife and I are looking at Tennessee as a haven. If not, we may be there sooner.

Oh, I didn't mention the various intrastate secessions you'll see, where (off the of of my head) central PA and upstate NY may realize that they have much more in common with each other than either has with NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo. The realignments won't necessarily be official, but they'll be real, as survivable areas perform triage on the walking dead leftist enclaves.

28 posted on 04/29/2013 9:46:39 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: autumnraine

“Which means they will wave as they pass us by.”

Except they hitched their wagons to our horses and when our horses go crazy they lose control of their wagons too.


29 posted on 04/29/2013 9:51:10 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Iron Munro

This is a ten minute video that explains politics better than anything I have ever seen.

Different Forms of Government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYLDUql5F4Q


30 posted on 04/29/2013 9:52:35 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Perseverando

In South Korea, American Soldiers used to hire “Houseboys”. These were young Korean men who would work for the Soldiers cleaning their clothing and other chores. Among the Houseboys were a group of young Korean men known as “Slickyboys”. These young men pretended to be Houseboys, but were in reality thieves out to steal from the American Soldiers. A Slickyboy is someone who pretends to be there to help you, when his real purpose is to rob you. Obama is a Slickyboy. He’s a Slickyboy to the American citizens. He is a Slickyboy to the socialists. He is a Slickyboy to the Moslems.


31 posted on 04/29/2013 9:53:32 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Edgar3

It baffles me that more “astute” commentators can’t see that obvious fact. Anyone who’s studied Marxism (very few apparently) knows how it goes about destabilizing and destroying existing governments. Obama and his cohort are simply at the “end game” stage of a revolution that began in the 1960s.


32 posted on 04/29/2013 9:53:52 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

We’re being invaded alright, but it’s not the Mexican’s that are the problem, it’s the islamists that nobody is doing anything about because we have a muzzie sympathizing president.


33 posted on 04/29/2013 9:54:30 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Perseverando

The author needs several weeks to explain what will happen? And we’re to take his advice?


34 posted on 04/29/2013 9:55:53 AM PDT by subterfuge (CBS NBC ABC FOX AP-- all no different than Pravda.)
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To: Perseverando

Once those 1st of the month checks aren’t worth the gas it takes to get to the bank to cash them, city Liberals will turn on each other first and burn their own cities down, while rural Conservatives can just pass the popcorn and wait it out.

I almost feel sorry for the Liberals for the horror that they will soon experience, but considering no group & philosophy in history has caused the human race more misery, failure and bloodshed, they will get what they deserve.

When they are huddled all alone, hungry in the dark and the mob shows up outside, and as they are being dragged out into the street maybe, just maybe they will finally grasp what a bunch of fools they have been.


35 posted on 04/29/2013 9:56:10 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Perseverando

What Will Happen When The Government Collapses?

Disintegration, dissolution of the union. Just look at the empires that fell mostly from pressures within: Rome, Charlemange, China (in the 1800s), British empire, Soviet Union.

Collapse usually results in alternating phases of anarchy and tyranny. Hopefully, we can create islands of stability by encouraging the civil society in red states. However, this will require the passage of state laws that discourage Leftist migration from the blue states. Promote laws that restrict welfare benefits, uphold gun rights, family values, ban/restrict abortion in addition to advancing free-market policies.


36 posted on 04/29/2013 9:56:48 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: Doug Loss
Oh, I didn't mention the various intrastate secessions you'll see, where (off the of of my head) central PA and upstate NY may realize that they have much more in common with each other than either has with NYC, Philly, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo. The realignments won't necessarily be official, but they'll be real, as survivable areas perform triage on the walking dead leftist enclaves.

Upstate NY takes a bad rap because of NYC, Ithaca, and the cities, but much of Upstate is VERY rural, bordering on desolate and there are more guns and cows than people.

I wouldn't want to be in any of the cities, but here, out in the country, we have more than our share of outspoken, gun toting conservatives. I know of a couple patriot groups which are forming.

37 posted on 04/29/2013 9:59:13 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Perseverando

Each state is set up like an individual country. If FedGov™ collapses(in my wildest dreams -please let it happen)Your State Governor becomes your President and head of state. Good God have we forgot what a republic is? We cant contemplate life without FedGov™. How pathetic...


38 posted on 04/29/2013 9:59:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Perseverando

Good info on this thread. However, what about the military and the police? Which way will they swing? We already saw what happened in Boston. Will that happen nationwide or will some police units side with the citizens? Who will be friend or foe?


39 posted on 04/29/2013 10:01:33 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Perseverando

Blood will be running in the streets as people will not be getting their free stuff. Anarchy and rioting everywhere. Greece and Spain are almost there now. My daughter and son-in-law will be vacationioning in Spain next week. I should be getting a first hand report about conditions there.


40 posted on 04/29/2013 10:02:23 AM PDT by Vinylly
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Martial law will be declared.

A military with a standing Army of less than 1 million is going to impose martial law on anything but a few major cites, maybe 3 cities at most.

41 posted on 04/29/2013 10:02:31 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donna
Mexicans will take over my Phoenix neighborhood and break into my house and murder me.

Buy an AR-15 or Shotgun with #4 buck. Learn how to use it. Kill as many as you can before they kill others.

42 posted on 04/29/2013 10:03:31 AM PDT by DCBryan1
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To: Perseverando


43 posted on 04/29/2013 10:05:47 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Perseverando

Revolt will happen.


44 posted on 04/29/2013 10:07:02 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Perseverando

The Government per se will not collapse, it never does, it actually rises “stronger” out o* the ashes le*t *rom the
chaos it created. The worse the times, history proves, the more amenable are they to be manipulated by “strong-men leaders”. Think, in this country, in the last 100 years o*
*DR and his long-delayed successor, Barack Obama.
Government won’t collapse, but the economy will continue to
erode the potential o* our own well-being, the “validity” o*
the US Constitution, and leave us with precious *ewer possibilities 4 the pursuit o* happiness.


45 posted on 04/29/2013 10:09:08 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Martial law will be declared.

 

You need to update your terminology. Martial law has now been replaced with a request (demand) to Shelter in Place. (While armed officials search your place - without warrants - for the "bad guys".)

 

46 posted on 04/29/2013 10:17:27 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Kartographer

Bump - and thanks!


47 posted on 04/29/2013 10:17:27 AM PDT by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: qam1
From Urban Dictionary:

“Gibs-Me-Dat” (Ebonics) (n.) Annuities, in the form of goods, services, or material (usually welfare checks) given predominately to blacks, in exchange for their tacit agreement to reciprocate by not burning down America’s cities.

Example:

“Yo Trayvon, who you be votin' fo' in 2012?”
“I gots to go wit Obama, baby. The democrats be givin out moe betta gibsmedat.”

Synonymous with: tribute, baksheesh, Danegeld, reparations

48 posted on 04/29/2013 10:20:40 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: subterfuge
 

The author needs several weeks to explain what will happen? And we’re to take his advice?

A Must Read.

When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence
Western Rifle Shooters Association ^ | September 4, 2012 | Matt Bracken
 

Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 7:37:03 AM by Travis McGee

In response to recent articles in mainstream military journals discussing the use of the U.S. Army to quell insurrections on American soil, I offer an alternate vision of the future. Instead of a small town in the South as the flash point, picture instead a score of U.S. cities in the thrall of riots greater than those experienced in Los Angeles in 1965 (Watts), multiple cities in 1968 (MLK assassination), and Los Angeles again in 1992 (Rodney King). New Yorkers can imagine the 1977 blackout looting or the 1991 Crown Heights disturbance. In fact, the proximate spark of the next round of major riots in America could be any from a long list cribbed from our history.

We have seen them all before, and we shall see them all again as history rhymes along regardless of the century or the generation of humankind nominally in control of events. But the next time we are visited by widespread, large-scale urban riots, a dangerous new escalation may be triggered by a new vulnerability: It’s estimated that the average American home has less than two weeks of food on hand. In poor minority areas, it may be much less. What if a cascading economic crisis, even a temporary one, leads to millions of EBT (electronic benefit transfer) cards flashing nothing but zeroes? Or if the government’s refusal to reimburse them causes supermarket chains to stop accepting them for payment? The government can order the supermarkets to honor the cards, but history’s verdict is clear: If suppliers are paid only with worthless scrip or blinking digits, the food will stop.

STEP ONE: FLASH MOB LOOTING

In my scenario, the initial riots begin spontaneously across affected urban areas, as SNAP (supplemental nutrition assistance program) and other government welfare recipients learn that their EBT cards no longer function. This sudden revelation will cause widespread anger, which will quickly lead to the flash-mob looting of local supermarkets and other businesses. The media will initially portray these “food riots” as at least partly justifiable. Sadly, millions of Americans have been made largely, or even entirely, dependent on government wealth transfer payments to put food on their tables.

 

more....

 

49 posted on 04/29/2013 10:21:38 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Kartographer; blam; ChocChipCookie; Marcella; Bride Of Old Sarge; yorkiemom; VermiciousKnid; ...
READ THE FOLLOWING EXCERPT FROM THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE - WHO DOES THIS SOUND LIKE?

* He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

* He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

* He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

* He {intends to keep} among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislature.

* He {intends to render} the military independent of and superior to civil power.

* He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws...

* For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent...

* For depriving us in many {future} cases, of the benefits of trial by jury...

* For ... abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

* He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless ... savages, whose known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

* In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

* Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our ... brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity.

50 posted on 04/29/2013 10:25:43 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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