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Lifetime concealed-carry permit bill passes Louisiana House
The Times Picayune ^ | April 24, 2013 | Lauren McGaughy

Posted on 04/25/2013 10:57:15 AM PDT by neverdem

Second Amendment rights advocates in Louisiana claimed another victory Wednesday, when the lower house of the Legislature approved a bill to allow for lifetime concealed-carry permits.

House Bill 265, which passed with a vote of 65-19, was the first lawmaking foray by Central Republican Barry Ivey, who beat Metro Councilman Scott Wilson in a special election in early March.

Currently, concealed-carry permits cost $125 and last for five years. Ivey's bill would allow Louisianans to choose between the five-year permit or one that would last for life. The lifetime permit would cost $500 and would require the permit holder to provide proof of renewed educational training every five years.

The bill received little real debate on the House floor. Because it was Ivey's first bill, most lawmakers -- hewing to long-standing legislative tradition -- spent the majority of the debate period "hazing" the new representative.

A small cohort of lawmakers tried to keep things serious, expressing concern that the bill would allow felons to have lifetime concealed-carry permits. But Ivey said that was a misplaced fear because the Louisiana State Police, which issues permits, is immediately alerted if a permit holder is involved in a crime.

Under current law, if a holder is convicted of a felony, their permit is immediately revoked. Permit holders are also required to notify police of a criminal offense within 15 days and of an address change within 30 days; if they fail to do this, their permit is revoked.

Concealed-carry permits numbers have skyrocketed in recent months. Since President Barack Obama announced plans for new federal regulations in the wake of the December shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, applications have increased by 211 percent, according to the State Police...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; jindal; lifeconcealedcarry; secondamendment
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To: Terry L Smith
I understand your point, because I said "I will admit to mixed emotions about the educational training, some people do need it".

But infringement is infringement on the 2nd amendment.

Hope you understand where I'm coming from.

It is a gray area for me and I don't like gray areas.
If push came to shove, I'd probably come down on the side of an education requirement, but I don't like coming down on that side, but see the need.

By saying that, I'm force to say I favor an infringement, that's my conflict.

As far as a fee for my second amendment rights, that's pure BS.

21 posted on 04/25/2013 12:28:52 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: neverdem
This is using the incrementalism of the left to eventually restore rights that were lost. $500 could be challenged as an infringement.

Adopt the bill. Next year propose an amendment that would lower the fee to $400. The year after that . . .

We did not get burdened by all these gun laws in one fell swoop. Learn from our enemies. As you say, small steps, small steps.

22 posted on 04/25/2013 12:38:04 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Terry L Smith

It is Uncle Murphy to me. I used to see him a lot, but finally got him to leave me alone for a while, but I don’t want to send him my address. :)


23 posted on 04/25/2013 12:41:38 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: neverdem

I am always amazed to hear about someone with a CC permit, but they don’t carry. I’ve always wondered how you know the time and place you’ll need your gun?


24 posted on 04/25/2013 12:43:40 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
This is still hooey. Arizona requires no permits for anything, and has no problems at all. And while training is a nice thing to get on your own, requiring it is just a waste of time.

Policemen with lots of training and many range hours often will still miss the broad side of a barn; whereas a cute little girl with a bow in her hair who has never held a gun before might be able to plant five rounds in a tight shot grouping at dog-tag elevation.

As far as felony convictions go, Arizona has some arcane rules about gun rights restoration for some felons, but it is not impossible. Most ex-cons probably know if they can, and want to, get their gun rights back. And if the police catch them with an illegal gun, they are in deep kimchi.

Your comments are dead on and worth repeating.

The question that needs to be asked of the legislooters in each state, is "Are citizens of Arizona, Vermont, and Alaska more trustworthy than those of  ______ (insert your state here)"

25 posted on 04/25/2013 12:55:49 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Love that gif! Too bad it doesn’t end up totally green!


26 posted on 04/25/2013 12:58:53 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: neverdem

Officials here in New Hampshire can issue lifetime licenses, since the four year term is a minimum, but in practice they never do.


27 posted on 04/25/2013 1:17:09 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: zeugma

The greening of America with this kind of green would be a beautiful thing!


28 posted on 04/25/2013 1:36:09 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, IÂ’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: neverdem

$125 or $500, there should be no tax on civil rights.


29 posted on 04/25/2013 2:53:47 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: zeugma

Personally, I see Arizona as the legislative target for other states as far as gun laws go. It is large enough, populous enough, it has a big city and plenty of rural, so it is very comparable to most states.

Yet Arizonans can carry open if the want, concealed if they want, in their car, in most buildings, etc. And if anything, it just encourages people to be more polite.


30 posted on 04/25/2013 3:15:15 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Terry L Smith
are you saying you agree with Government requiring citizens to get some king of training?

that's ridiculous imo

Here's my Constitution and we'd be better off if it were like this:

Federal Government should be limited to only international affairs (dealing with mainly stopping foreign large scale threats as in invading foreign armies, immigrants, poisons form abroad))

also no government can never tell us what kind of training we must get or who should or what we can purchase from the free market. that means no gov schools, no permits , no licenses, no obamacare etc. why is a gov idiot so much more capable of permitting me or telling what I have to do to better my life or what I am permitted to do or not. I'll write the local and state limitations but not much more than the fed does.

31 posted on 04/25/2013 3:27:07 PM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I pay nothing, and carry concealed regularly in Louisiana...go figure.


32 posted on 04/25/2013 6:08:46 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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