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Lifetime concealed-carry permit bill passes Louisiana House
The Times Picayune ^ | April 24, 2013 | Lauren McGaughy

Posted on 04/25/2013 10:57:15 AM PDT by neverdem

Second Amendment rights advocates in Louisiana claimed another victory Wednesday, when the lower house of the Legislature approved a bill to allow for lifetime concealed-carry permits.

House Bill 265, which passed with a vote of 65-19, was the first lawmaking foray by Central Republican Barry Ivey, who beat Metro Councilman Scott Wilson in a special election in early March.

Currently, concealed-carry permits cost $125 and last for five years. Ivey's bill would allow Louisianans to choose between the five-year permit or one that would last for life. The lifetime permit would cost $500 and would require the permit holder to provide proof of renewed educational training every five years.

The bill received little real debate on the House floor. Because it was Ivey's first bill, most lawmakers -- hewing to long-standing legislative tradition -- spent the majority of the debate period "hazing" the new representative.

A small cohort of lawmakers tried to keep things serious, expressing concern that the bill would allow felons to have lifetime concealed-carry permits. But Ivey said that was a misplaced fear because the Louisiana State Police, which issues permits, is immediately alerted if a permit holder is involved in a crime.

Under current law, if a holder is convicted of a felony, their permit is immediately revoked. Permit holders are also required to notify police of a criminal offense within 15 days and of an address change within 30 days; if they fail to do this, their permit is revoked.

Concealed-carry permits numbers have skyrocketed in recent months. Since President Barack Obama announced plans for new federal regulations in the wake of the December shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, applications have increased by 211 percent, according to the State Police...

(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; jindal; lifeconcealedcarry; secondamendment
Again, it's as if all felons are violent felons!
1 posted on 04/25/2013 10:57:15 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

“The right to bear arms shall not be infringed”.


2 posted on 04/25/2013 11:02:26 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: neverdem

500 bucks or I can’t defend myself. That’s not an infringement. /s


3 posted on 04/25/2013 11:04:30 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: neverdem

Some good news!


4 posted on 04/25/2013 11:06:06 AM PDT by M. Espinola
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To: piroque; Casie; Artie; LSUfan; Errant; TangoLimaSierra; BBell; Galactic Overlord-In-Chief; ...
BANG! $500 is nothing to sneeze at either.
5 posted on 04/25/2013 11:07:13 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: faithhopecharity
In PA a permit last for 5 years and it costs only $20 {but that cost may vary by County, I'm not sure of that}.

In Westmoreland County, the current Sheriff as well as the past Sheriff have been very pro 2nd Amendment and have made it very simple to get your carry permit.

You can open carry without a permit, but need a carry permit to conceal your weapon... go figure.

I always carry and most of the time it is concealed, but every once and a while I'll put on a couple of holsters and carry a 357 Magnum in one and a Glock in the other.

I usually do that only to make a visual statement and it always works.

6 posted on 04/25/2013 11:14:13 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: faithhopecharity

All of the concealed carry laws are just band-aids masking the issue that all these laws violate the 2nd no matter their good intentions. Any citizen should be allowed to carry anytime, concealed or not, into/onto any non-private property (includes government buildings) and not have to have a permit. The minutemen didn’t have one.


7 posted on 04/25/2013 11:14:42 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: neverdem

This is still hooey. Arizona requires no permits for anything, and has no problems at all. And while training is a nice thing to get on your own, requiring it is just a waste of time.

Policemen with lots of training and many range hours often will still miss the broad side of a barn; whereas a cute little girl with a bow in her hair who has never held a gun before might be able to plant five rounds in a tight shot grouping at dog-tag elevation.

As far as felony convictions go, Arizona has some arcane rules about gun rights restoration for some felons, but it is not impossible. Most ex-cons probably know if they can, and want to, get their gun rights back. And if the police catch them with an illegal gun, they are in deep kimchi.


8 posted on 04/25/2013 11:16:01 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: neverdem

I must move to that state.


9 posted on 04/25/2013 11:21:44 AM PDT by dragonblustar ($3.50)
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To: USS Alaska

Why the hell is there a time limit?? Ohhhhh...MONEY


10 posted on 04/25/2013 11:26:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: USS Alaska

The price is high but the lifetime permit is an improvement...


11 posted on 04/25/2013 11:30:38 AM PDT by swampthang77
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To: rawcatslyentist

Solid point...


12 posted on 04/25/2013 11:32:13 AM PDT by swampthang77
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To: neverdem
Currently, concealed-carry permits cost $125 and last for five years. Ivey's bill would allow Louisianans to choose between the five-year permit or one that would last for life. The lifetime permit would cost $500 and would require the permit holder to provide proof of renewed educational training every five years.

That is infringement any way you look at it.

I pay the $125 and it pisses me off every time I do.
I should NOT have to pay for my constitutional right, that simple.
I will admit to mixed emotions about the educational training, some people do need it, but it is not in the second amendment, therefore it is an infringement.
If they want to do something, pass a law where we can defend property as in Texas.
Our laws are not bad dealing with self defense (House and car when in car), but an addition of the Texas law would be nice.

13 posted on 04/25/2013 11:47:35 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
This is still hooey. Arizona requires no permits for anything, and has no problems at all.

This is using the incrementalism of the left to eventually restore rights that were lost. $500 could be challenged as an infringement.

And while training is a nice thing to get on your own, requiring it is just a waste of time.

Most people would be wise to get some instruction for safety's sake. The requirement "to provide proof of renewed educational training every five years," is most likely to ensure they haven't become a threat to themselves or others. People do lose their vision and their marbles. A lot of Alzheimer patients get very agitated in the latter stages of that dementia.

14 posted on 04/25/2013 11:55:03 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Resolute Conservative

In response to “Resolute Conservative”, were We, The People truly awake and vigilant, as Jefferson wanted us to be, sure, I would agree with you. I would carry “without the pedigree”, because as a military veteran I earned that, but I am one of those folks that, if I do not do things ‘by the book’, Mr. Murphy loves to run out and shake my hand, if you get that, e.g., “Do Not Tempt Deity!”.

Now ... a statewide lifetime carry license, with the requirement of requalifying is a good thing. When I went to my training, the price for a Louisiana license was $100.00, and that was NOT five years back.

My parish of residence (county) does issue a parish-wide carry license. All of my conducted business is within the parish, so I think this is a good thing. It’s cheaper, it’s renewed annually, the checks are done by the Parish Sheriff’s Office, and I’ve not had a ‘wait and see’ timeframe befall me, so I’m quite pleased with the process.


15 posted on 04/25/2013 12:02:16 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: neverdem
Thanks for the ping! I just took a concealed carry class last month.
16 posted on 04/25/2013 12:05:08 PM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: The Cajun

Please remember, when the 2nd Amendment was written, folks knew enough about firearms, because they used them to put food on the table, daily!

Today, firearms, have become something to pick up with the pinkie finger extended and a vocal “ew-ee” coming from the indoctrinated hoplophobe.

Demonstration in safe handling of firearms, is required as part of acquiring a hunting license, and has been since 1980 in different states, so I see no real bother there. The training is performed by NRA-certified trainers, which can be a boon for those who have a difficulty in grasping the methods or the reasons. (At the least, it is NOT the trainee’s husband, wife boyfriend or girlfriend, attempting to teach them!)


17 posted on 04/25/2013 12:11:09 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: neverdem

Arizona has Sun City and other enormous retirement areas, but still no problem with seniors and guns.

It actually reminded me of, I think it was, a ‘60 minutes’ segment many years ago, about the Sun City volunteer police department.

They went with them to a gun range to do their qualifications, and this skinny old character put on quite a show, fumbling with his specs, needing to be pointed in the downrange direction “where the targets are”, and otherwise acting like a dotard.

And then he pulled his revolver. Holy smokes, that thing had at least a 12” long barrel. Then he let slip with six fast shots. Then they showed him holding his target, with six holes in a circle around the bullseye.

“Shucks,” he said, “They must-a got away!”, back in character. They later admitted that in his younger days he had been a circus trick shooter.

They did mention one bust. A transient who did not know that there is no crime in Sun City. By the time he went through the window of a home, the police already had several calls. He had one foot out and was holding a TV, with four barrels pointed at him.

The police bragged that because of their little old lady intelligence network, a stranger cannot walk the streets without the police knowing his every move.

In any event, no gun problems with the seniors.

“Even the crazy people behave less crazy with so many guns around. Unless they are totally mad, even they have an instinct for self preservation.”


18 posted on 04/25/2013 12:12:21 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: neverdem

19 posted on 04/25/2013 12:19:03 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: neverdem

Poor people don’t deserve the right or ability to defend themselves. /s


20 posted on 04/25/2013 12:20:13 PM PDT by TigersEye (If babies had guns they wouldn't be aborted)
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To: Terry L Smith
I understand your point, because I said "I will admit to mixed emotions about the educational training, some people do need it".

But infringement is infringement on the 2nd amendment.

Hope you understand where I'm coming from.

It is a gray area for me and I don't like gray areas.
If push came to shove, I'd probably come down on the side of an education requirement, but I don't like coming down on that side, but see the need.

By saying that, I'm force to say I favor an infringement, that's my conflict.

As far as a fee for my second amendment rights, that's pure BS.

21 posted on 04/25/2013 12:28:52 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: neverdem
This is using the incrementalism of the left to eventually restore rights that were lost. $500 could be challenged as an infringement.

Adopt the bill. Next year propose an amendment that would lower the fee to $400. The year after that . . .

We did not get burdened by all these gun laws in one fell swoop. Learn from our enemies. As you say, small steps, small steps.

22 posted on 04/25/2013 12:38:04 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Terry L Smith

It is Uncle Murphy to me. I used to see him a lot, but finally got him to leave me alone for a while, but I don’t want to send him my address. :)


23 posted on 04/25/2013 12:41:38 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: neverdem

I am always amazed to hear about someone with a CC permit, but they don’t carry. I’ve always wondered how you know the time and place you’ll need your gun?


24 posted on 04/25/2013 12:43:40 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
This is still hooey. Arizona requires no permits for anything, and has no problems at all. And while training is a nice thing to get on your own, requiring it is just a waste of time.

Policemen with lots of training and many range hours often will still miss the broad side of a barn; whereas a cute little girl with a bow in her hair who has never held a gun before might be able to plant five rounds in a tight shot grouping at dog-tag elevation.

As far as felony convictions go, Arizona has some arcane rules about gun rights restoration for some felons, but it is not impossible. Most ex-cons probably know if they can, and want to, get their gun rights back. And if the police catch them with an illegal gun, they are in deep kimchi.

Your comments are dead on and worth repeating.

The question that needs to be asked of the legislooters in each state, is "Are citizens of Arizona, Vermont, and Alaska more trustworthy than those of  ______ (insert your state here)"

25 posted on 04/25/2013 12:55:49 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Love that gif! Too bad it doesn’t end up totally green!


26 posted on 04/25/2013 12:58:53 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: neverdem

Officials here in New Hampshire can issue lifetime licenses, since the four year term is a minimum, but in practice they never do.


27 posted on 04/25/2013 1:17:09 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: zeugma

The greening of America with this kind of green would be a beautiful thing!


28 posted on 04/25/2013 1:36:09 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I’m a conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: neverdem

$125 or $500, there should be no tax on civil rights.


29 posted on 04/25/2013 2:53:47 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: zeugma

Personally, I see Arizona as the legislative target for other states as far as gun laws go. It is large enough, populous enough, it has a big city and plenty of rural, so it is very comparable to most states.

Yet Arizonans can carry open if the want, concealed if they want, in their car, in most buildings, etc. And if anything, it just encourages people to be more polite.


30 posted on 04/25/2013 3:15:15 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Terry L Smith
are you saying you agree with Government requiring citizens to get some king of training?

that's ridiculous imo

Here's my Constitution and we'd be better off if it were like this:

Federal Government should be limited to only international affairs (dealing with mainly stopping foreign large scale threats as in invading foreign armies, immigrants, poisons form abroad))

also no government can never tell us what kind of training we must get or who should or what we can purchase from the free market. that means no gov schools, no permits , no licenses, no obamacare etc. why is a gov idiot so much more capable of permitting me or telling what I have to do to better my life or what I am permitted to do or not. I'll write the local and state limitations but not much more than the fed does.

31 posted on 04/25/2013 3:27:07 PM PDT by Democrat_media (s tMary Landrieu voted for the UN to take away our 2nd amendment rights)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I pay nothing, and carry concealed regularly in Louisiana...go figure.


32 posted on 04/25/2013 6:08:46 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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