“Are you claiming that a nation has a claim on children despite the loyalties of their parents? “Birthright citizenship” is functionally equivalent to a press gang in that it places obligations on people who might just be tourists having no intention of such.”
I would argue that it’s no such thing - but is a safeguard for the child and the rights of the child as opposed to their parents.
“That is false. She and I were born as children of American citizens. That’s what makes us legitimate American citizens.”
That’s not what the Fourteenth says. This opinion is explicitly rejected.
“The Fourteenth Amendment instituted those “hoops” in the first place.”
And it explicitly rejects this one. Hence my point. You are in violation of the equal protection clause already by trying to deprive some American citizens of their citizenship. We already have enough problems with Obama running roughshod over the constitution, let alone Conservatives.
“Birth doesn’t make one an American citizen”
Yes, it does. I know you have trouble following the plain and clear words of the constitution.
“There are also people born all over the world that are American citizens.”
So your argument is that because X is sometimes not Y, that proves that Y cannot be X?
No, that is what the Fourteenth says.
This opinion is explicitly rejected.
By a crooked progressivist court. Read the minority opinion cited in the article you didn't read.
And it explicitly rejects this one.
No, it doesn't. The court did.
Yes, it does. I know you have trouble following the plain and clear words of the constitution.
You can't read because you don't know the difference in the law at that time between "subject to the jurisdiction" and being within a jurisdiction.
JCB: I would argue that it’s no such thing
You'd be WRONG!
Take a peek at what the IRS is doing to "Accidental Americans"...
The term “Accidental American” refers to the millions of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents (“LPRs”) residing outside the U.S. Many of these individuals were born in the U.S. or acquired derivative citizenship based on a number of factors via one or both parents. However, other than their U.S. citizenship, they typically have no other direct family, business or personal ties to the U.S. Many LPRs who worked in the U.S. for a few years or who acquired their “green card” through their U.S. parents have long ceased to live in the U.S., returning to their country of origin. The author refers to each of these types of “U.S.” individuals as “Accidental Americans” throughout this article.“Accidental Americans” – Rush to Renounce U.S. Citizenship to Avoid the Ugly U.S. Tax Web, But There's a Ten Year Tax PenaltyThe Accidental American is subject to U.S. income tax on his or her worldwide income, and to information reporting requirements
Born in the U.S. when your non-citizen parents were just passing through or were just here on vacation? Shut up and pay the IRS your taxes, "citizen"!!!
There is a pretty decent argument that A) folks here illegally are the equivalent of a foreign, invading army, and thus their children are not born citizens, and B) citizenship by birth, that requires being “subject to the jurisdiction” doesn’t really apply to those not domiciled here - to use the term from WKA.