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Mercedes-Benz Investigating Refrigerant That Caused 'Ball Of Fire' (EPA scorch the earth)
Motor Authority ^ | Dec 17, 2012 | Kurt Ernst

Posted on 04/23/2013 7:15:13 PM PDT by I still care

As part of a routine test of a new refrigerant being used in the Mercedes-Benz B Class, engineers simulated a pinhole leak in a coolant line. When the refrigerant (now mixed with A/C compressor oil) sprayed on a hot engine, the results were dramatic.

The vaporized mixture reportedly ignited on contact with the hot surface, creating what Reuters (via Yahoo News) described as a “ball of fire,” followed by a cloud of dangerous hydrogen fluoride gas. The corrosive gas then attacked the windshield, etching the glass and raising even more potential concerns about the safety of the new HFO-1234yf refrigerant.

The team of manufacturers within the SAE International group evaluating the new refrigerant's safety includes Audi, BMW, Chrysler/Fiat, Daimler, Ford, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Jaguar Land Rover, Mazda, PSA, Renault and Toyota.

(Excerpt) Read more at motorauthority.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: carbon; epa; globalwarming
I know this article a few months old, but this was all the talk of my son's Air conditioning class this week. Seems there's quite a bit of controversy about it, and someone said that GM is putting out warnings about reusing old parts in the A/C under the dash.

There is also talk that American manufacturers are balking at using this product, but the EU is digging its heels in. That may be just talk, I don't know. We all know the EPA cares more about fish than folks, so my guess is there may be a few "unexpected" A/C fireballs in the future, for which the government will be, shocked, shocked.

Supposedly this is starting to be phased in now, jan 2013.

So we went looking and found these articles. Looks like the EPA is forcing a new refrigerant that may not be safe, and is ten times the cost of what is being used now. Here is a list of articles I found:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/28/daimler-sounds-alarm-on-new-ac-refrigerant-may-be-flammable/

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/10/12/environmentally-friendly-refrigerant-may-pose-fire-hazard-in-cars/

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/

FYI.

1 posted on 04/23/2013 7:15:13 PM PDT by I still care
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To: I still care

Hmmm. They didn’t post as links. Sorry.


2 posted on 04/23/2013 7:15:39 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: I still care

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/28/daimler-sounds-alarm-on-new-ac-refrigerant-may-be-flammable/

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/10/12/environmentally-friendly-refrigerant-may-pose-fire-hazard-in-cars/

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/

They won’t if you have ANY HTML in your post


3 posted on 04/23/2013 7:17:31 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: I still care

Ball of fire?

Are we talking Ford Pintos...?


4 posted on 04/23/2013 7:17:32 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Stuff that posts as links in normal posts will not in the initial comment in an original post. It’s a feature, not a bug. < /s>

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/28/daimler-sounds-alarm-on-new-ac-refrigerant-may-be-flammable/

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/10/12/environmentally-friendly-refrigerant-may-pose-fire-hazard-in-cars/

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-independent-study-finds-new-refrigerant-to-be-dangerous/


5 posted on 04/23/2013 7:18:21 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: null and void

You beat me to the links post, but I’m right on the reason.

A comment after the original post works differently from the comment section in the original post.


6 posted on 04/23/2013 7:19:44 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: I still care
There was that AUDI that caught fire up on Capitol Hill and killed the lady lobbyist ~ that involved AC fluid.

We might revisit that case in light of this discovery.

7 posted on 04/23/2013 7:19:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Killed a lobbyist?

Not all bad, then.


8 posted on 04/23/2013 7:24:46 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: I still care

Just use Butane, it will do fine as a replacement and doesn’t cost as much. If you are going to burn anyway, why not?


9 posted on 04/23/2013 7:26:04 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: I still care

As I said before, there was a time when it was illegal to use certain refrigerants in mobile systems because of fire danger, now the EPA seems to be insisting that we use those dangerous gases. STUPID EPA!


10 posted on 04/23/2013 7:26:14 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: FreedomPoster
You beat me to the links post, but I’m right on the reason.

Yes you are. Good catch.

11 posted on 04/23/2013 7:26:18 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression and Democrats use them. Gun confiscation enables tyranny.)
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To: I still care; a fool in paradise
Refrigerant burning? Like burning ice? And I thought I had seen everything!


12 posted on 04/23/2013 7:28:11 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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The EPA is in favor of it, because charred human bodies don’t hurt the ozone as much as Freon.

The West is circling in the toilet bowl of history faster and faster...


13 posted on 04/23/2013 7:33:16 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: I still care

The scientific name for this phenomenon is the “Jerry Lee Lewis Effect”


14 posted on 04/23/2013 7:46:45 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: BwanaNdege

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bB5xL577r4


15 posted on 04/23/2013 7:48:54 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: I still care

Still have several cans of R12 though getting the oil is almost impossible.


16 posted on 04/23/2013 7:53:21 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: I still care

BTW, reading your tag line, if you make it up to Atlanta, I know the places to get proper boiled-then-baked bagels.


17 posted on 04/23/2013 7:53:37 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Lx

I’m starting to think I should invest in a couple cases of R-134a.


18 posted on 04/23/2013 7:55:57 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: I still care

10 times the cost and probably requires 10 times the pressure.


19 posted on 04/23/2013 7:56:29 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: I still care

Likely another terrorism idea for a muzzie.


20 posted on 04/23/2013 7:56:39 PM PDT by reaganbooster (The democrat party symbol should be the grim reaper instead of the donkey.)
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To: backhoe

As I recall you and I had similar opinions on the original refrigerant bans. You might find this interesting.


21 posted on 04/23/2013 7:58:26 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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I recently bought a refrigerator (Not in the US) and the salesman was telling me about the Freon the refrigerator used and I was happy to think that by going to Asia I had gotten away from the imbeciles at the EPA. When it was delivered I discovered it was using R600a. Basically butane. Yes, 10 times the pressure and very flammable. Smart guys these Asians....


22 posted on 04/23/2013 8:11:44 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: I still care

Mercury filled bulbs in your house, flammable refrigerants in your car. Don’t ever forget, your government loves and cares about you.


23 posted on 04/23/2013 8:25:40 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: FreedomPoster

Occaisionally, yes! Anywhere near Alpharetta?


24 posted on 04/23/2013 8:58:06 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Wingy

There’s a car A/C coolant that uses a hydrocarbon based liquid, I think it’s either butane or propane. I wouldn’t mind using it as it’s such a small amount and we drive around with literally gallons of another hydrocarbon. I think gasoline would be more dangerous in an accident then the can or to two fill up your system.

I think it;s called Freeze-12.
Since we live in an oven here when it’s summertime, I’ve seen cans listed on Craigslist although I can’t guarantee you won’t get burned or ripped off. At least the R0134a nozzle would be a dead give away.

I don’t know how the law would react if you buy a few cans but if you buy it by the pallet, they might make an example out pf you.


25 posted on 04/23/2013 10:14:21 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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Goldberg’s at Chamblee-Dunwoody and I-285, and BB’s Bagels on McFarland a mile or two west of GA400. So yes, in answer to your question. Goldberg’s is the old-school Jewish deli place, BB’s is the upstart with a bunch of Bronx transplants and probably has the better bagels of the two (though both are very good), and has great diner lunches as well.

Sorry for the threadjack, but it’s your thread, and thought the info worthwhile given your tagline.


26 posted on 04/24/2013 2:56:15 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Da Coyote

Good lookin’ chick though.


27 posted on 04/24/2013 3:48:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks!


28 posted on 04/26/2013 12:02:42 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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