Posted on 04/19/2013 1:38:20 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
>> Notice that the core element of all the efforts by the Left now involve the establishment or improvement of databases on the citizenry. <<
Except there is no new database. Pay attention.
>> They want them for you to work, <<
Your problem appears to be with Ronald Reagan’s I-9 program. Tell you what, when you succeed in getting rid of social security, welfare, medicare, income tax, earned income credits, etc., the E-Verify program probably will be much less necessary. In the meanwhile, we can quit shooting ourselves in the head in spite of our Democrat opponents.
>> Exactly. I’m self-employed, and every few months, I find it enraging that I have to sign yet another declaration that I’m a citizen and present my passport to another private citizen who has no official government function whatsoever. <<
If you ever do, it has nothing to do with E-Verify.
>> Right, and even in the absence of the government doing the job it’s empowered and paid to do, it’s still not on me to determine someone’s legal status. That’s forcing Americans to perform law enforcement functions. How is that even Constitutional? <<
You mean like filing W-2s, I-9s, and all those other functions?
I’m sorry you can’t see the difference between a voluntary and a mandatory use of this database to determine whether or not someone can earn their daily bread.
Of course, anyone with a brain has known all along that their intent in establishing the voluntary database was to turn it into a mandatory one.
The answer when the statist camel’s nose is in the tent is not to resign yourself to living with the camel, the answer is to cut off the camel’s nose.
An America in which a citizen has to get permission from the government to work is no longer America. It’s the Soviet Union.
No. Don Quixote fought imaginary monsters. The drive for government to possess thorough databases of information on every aspect of your life is quite real. In fact, you will find such an overriding desire on the part of the statists at the core of almost every important policy question right now. Education. Work. Commerce. Healthcare. Guns. You name it.
Can you point me to that part of the Constitution which grants to the general government the power to give a thumbs up or a thumbs down to whether or not you are qualified to earn your daily sustenance?
So, the answer to my question is “no,” right?
The answer to your question is that the first step for accomplishing this is to convince conservatives to return to the plumb line of principle and to then think through the consequences of the policies they support. So that we can then argue from a firm basis and put forward a strong united front.
It’s amazing how much power there is in having the truth and right on your side.
In God we trust, not luck.
Food for thought...
It is a crime to enter and overstay your visa. If it’s not legal for the person to BE here, they used to be deported. Back in the day (when there was some semblance of law) this was not questioned by Americans.
Some employers hired illegals, but there were legal ramifications if they got caught.
Nowadays the government is unconstitutionally providing benefits to people, but for the moment, let’s forget the unconstitutional part.
Even without e-verify, people should have to prove citizenship to get government benefits. And if they are illegally here, they should be deported.
Since we have millions of illegals here, we have a problem - they have all committed the crime of entering illegally, the main thrust of the penalty for which is deportation. I don’t want to be mean to “nice” people, but if you committed the crime just admit it. If I went to the illegal’s home country and stayed illegally - you can bet I’d be in jail there and then deported. The Constitution does grant the power to pass laws to solve such problems, IMHO.
To me, if I go rob a bank, I will have committed a crime. The police will go look for me and arrest me. They will search LIKELY places for me.
I see suburban LE all over the place with some time on their hands. IMHO, every town and city should have a process of continually finding illegals, arresting and deporting them, and it should not cost one extra penny for LE to work on this on the back burner.
As a business owner, I do not want to hire an illegal. I should not be. If it’s not illegal any more - it should be.
LIKELY businesses should be checked up on by LE - and if illegals are found, they should be arrested and deported.
Restaurants, landscapers, etc.
The law USED TO be the law.
When I go for a driver’s license renewal, I have to prove who I am; it’s a whole big deal.
Employees all have to fill out an I-9.
Yes, I should as an employer have to keep an eye out for people committing crimes that work for me. If I think an employee robbed a bank, would I say it’s not my business, I have no right to bother the person ?
When my business gets its feathers ruffled because LE surprises me during the dinner rush looking for illegals, I get mad ? No way. I’d love to hire you, but you have to be a citizen. Just because I own a business does not give me the right to be part of the problem and harbor criminals.
IMHO...
You’re going to use that as example? In fact, it makes my case. If you violate your principles on the excuse that it’s just too hard politically to do right, all you have done is assure that the price that will have to eventually be paid, either by yourself or your posterity, is a much higher one.
Again, cut off the camel’s nose, don’t invite him the rest of the way into the tent.
Maybe if folks would simply recommit themselves to doing right, no matter the cost, or the perceived chances for “success,” we would see revival, eh?
In other words, it’s you that has the cart before the horse, not me. The first step to revival is to change our mind to come into line with what God thinks. In other words, to repent. In other words, to begin to simply begin to do what is right. THEN, and only then, is the door open to revival.
I’m tired out. Gotta hit the hay. Have a good night.
Which the EPA would promptly prohibit the extraction of.
I didn’t say i endorsed those, just that they are a fact. Drivers license records are shared with Insurance brokers as well as some Federal agencies. In any case any data that is entered into a computer can be accessed by the Fed whether they admit it or not.
So you're a big government type who likes piling on more regulations. Check.
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