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Posted on 04/16/2013 5:25:07 AM PDT by marktwain
Everyone wants to keep criminals from getting guns. However, expanded background checks are not the simple answer that Sens. Pat Toomey (R., Pa.) and Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.) think they are.
Unfortunately, as the Senate considers the Manchin-Toomey amendment, Toomey is simply wrong to assert: "It's the people who fail a criminal or mental-health background check who we don't want having guns."
Toomey apparently does not understand how the background-check system works. Take his claim on Sunday: "Since checks began in 1998, more than 100,000 people who are ineligible to own guns have been denied them each year." Just because someone is "initially denied" permission to buy a gun doesn't mean that he is really ineligible to own guns.
This is the same problem experienced with the "no-fly" list. Remember the five times that the late Sen. Ted Kennedy was "initially denied" access to flights because his name was on the antiterror list? His name was similar to someone whom we really did want to keep from flying. But, by Toomey's method of counting, stopping Kennedy from boarding a flight means the "no-fly" list stopped terrorists from boarding a flight five times.
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Background checks are simply a waste of time and money. They don’t stop criminals from getting guns and only collect the names of the law abiding.
Simple fix : amend the background check for gun purchases bill such that any nation gun checks or regulations must be met to vote in a national election, and Dems will flee like rats.
Better yet, add that it applies to local gun checks too, owch!
Voting to Dems is like gun ownership here, that is why they let convicted criminals vote regardless of their crimes in lib states.
Time and money well spent if your plan is to collect those names in the first place.
This is by design.
Do we want them to have knives? Baseball bats? Cans of gasoline? Tire irons? Cars?
None of those require background checks prior to purchase.
BTW, why do we have to list the make, model and SN# on the 4473 on a background check if not for registration?
A guy with bad intentions is never going to go through a background check and the dummicrats know it. This is all about disarming people who stand in the way.
Registration, confiscation, extermination. It’s happened numerous times in history and it’s claimed millions of lives.
The Socialists, both here and throughout history have had no problem with them and their agents have guns and other weapons. They just don't want to see the peasants and slaves armed.
And in the case of the United States of America, they have history on their side as a majority of voters said, via their votes, to the Government, "Make me your slave". And to go with a much, much larger segment than should be of the population have no desire to defend either theri lives or the lives of their families should they have to do that. A segment that, in my opinion, should be deported to a Country that more suits their taste. Such an North Korea.
Why is the SERIAL NUMBER and MODEL NUMBER needed for a background check? It seems to me that you should ONLY check the person and be done with it. Nothing is gained with serial and model numbers,UNLESS someone is trying to build up a database for later confiscation (which, of course, our government denies they want to do)
Every time I am asked about gun control I simply say I am in favor of criminal control. When are we going to focus on that?
Of course it’s a data base, this is how it works today.
Behind door one. Unclassified, public access, etc. “We are not keeping any kind of gun registry. That would be against the law!”
Behind door number five, after increasing levels of classification, “Place where the top secret national gun registry is maintained and updated around the clock.”
We will find this out about 15-20 years after the end of CW2, depending on which side prevails. (If either.) Like we found out about the cracked Japanese and Nazi codes. It will change how we look back at CW2.
“Damn, they were keeping track of everybody and getting ready for the Great Purge of 2015. It’s so obvious now!”
Those who pre-plan for war do these things. IN peacetime it’s called cheating, after the war starts it’s seen as brilliant. It’s called “preparing the battlespace.” That space also exists in the media and on the internet today, in data mining, in Social Network Analysis, a booming govt. security sector.
Lessons learned in Iraq have come home. Only instead of night raids and drone strikes, today’s DHS/HSI spooks are making lists. The strikes will come later, at the optimal time. The battlespace is being prepped now. (Buying extra ammo, etc.)
I wonder if entering one’s social security number and full name would help aleviate false positives. Leaving off one’s SS# is an option, but not one I would recommend doing. I’ve heard stories of people getting in legal trouble just for incorrectly abreviating things on the 4473.
Yep, and when you do, the leftists can only stammer as a response, because they know deep down inside that gun control does ZERO towards criminal control. Instead it's all about people control, which is what they really want.
Have you noticed how many "crimes" and infractions the liberals make against the law? Liberals actually are making good citizens into criminals? Like the poor SOB who dammed up the storm-water running through his garden and back yard. He went to jail or got fined for "collecting rainwater".
We are going to have to fight the liberals to get American freedom back.
““Damn, they were keeping track of everybody and getting ready for the Great Purge of 2015. It’s so obvious now!””
Dead on. We that know how these things work know they are keeping a database and not for law enforcement purposes either. This is a hit list if there ever was one.
Background checks can be corrupted by the govt ala Fast & Furious et al.
In peacetime, the list is called something like the “High-Risk Profile List.”
In wartime, they delete that title and type in “Purge List.”
With dates such as, “D-day: arrest all with classification 12 or higher. D-day plus two: arrest all 10s and 11s.”
And so on.
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